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I'm not sure why Tomasi is supposed to acknowledge Julia when Snyder himself hasn't bothered with her relationship with Alfred and pretty much swept aside his own ideas from Eternal with casual handwaves. From Bruce being being broke to losing his house to the status quo Valentine set for Gothams underworld based on the direction Snyder gave her to Julia herself who has been ignored in All Star and in Superheavy did not have one significant Alfred interaction and was called Julia Penny. If you picked up Superheavy or the current Batwoman you would have no reason to belive she has any relation to Alfred.
Tomasi is consistent with what he does and he goes for characters who are unlikely to date his stories. Dick, Babs, Jason and even Damian and Tim will be part of Batfamily moments in comics decades from now and they'll be featured outside of comics too. Future readers can look back and not get lost. By then unclepulky would have probably blacklisted all Bat material and 90% of the writers.
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[QUOTE=KrustyKid;2895859]Killing Tim's parents off again is something I'm completely against, there are plenty of opportunities that can be explored with Tim (and not any of the Robin boys) with them still being around. Plus, Bruce and current Tim aren't even close. Look how Bruce reacted in both Jason and Damian's deaths in comparison to Tim's, my point right there. Even if Tim's parents died I don't see Bruce adopting him.
On another note, Duke's yellow Ranger costume is starting to grow on me, lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, him and Bruce aren't close anymore. Because DC hates Tim and will never give him his old relationships and history back. Funny how Jason and Babs who's books can't even sell above 30k anymore get to be major characters but not Tim.
If Duke's solo doesn't work out then there will be no excuse for DC prioritizing him over the 90s Bat-kids anymore. Not that there was to begin with, but favoring a financial failure over proven successes is just bad business.
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And while I dont care about Snyders treatment of Damian its not going to stop me from reading Wytches and American Vampire, Jesus what does one have to do with the other?
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895874]I'm not sure why Tomasi is supposed to acknowledge Julia when Snyder himself hasn't bothered with her relationship with Alfred and pretty much swrpt aside his own ideas from Eternal with casual handwaves. From Bruce being being broke to losing his house to the status quo Valentine set for Gothams underworld based on the direction Snyder gave her to Julia herself who has been ignored in All Star and in Superheavy did not have one significant Alfred interaction and was called Julia Penny. If you picked up Superheavy or the current Batwoman you would have no reason to belive she has any relation to Alfred.
Tomasi is consistent with what he does and he goes for characters who are unlikely to date his stories. Dick, Babs, Jason and even Damian and Tim will be part of Batfamily moments in comics decades from now and they'll be featured outside of comics too. Future readers can look back and not get lost. By then unclepulky would have probably blacklisted all Bat material and 90% of the writers.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness though Julia isn't really a NEW character, she was around in the 80s till DC kinda handwaved and forgot about her, unless the point of her being the daughter of Alfred Pennyworth is never gonna come up again, I don't see how that would 'date' the stories. Its understandable not to confuse your readers but I doubt they would kick up a fuss at the [I]exclusion[/I] of that "this is why I never had kids line", its very existence just brings confusion.
But in all honesty, it could even be that Tomasi forgot when he was constructing what was clearly just an offhanded joke. :P
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[QUOTE=RedBird;2895887]In all fairness though Julia isn't really a NEW character, she was around in the 80s till DC kinda handwaved and forgot about her, unless the point of her being the daughter of Alfred Pennyworth is never gonna come up again, I don't see how that would 'date' the stories. Its understandable not to confuse your readers but I doubt they would kick up a fuss at the [I]exclusion[/I] of that "this is why I never had kids line", its very existence just brings confusion.
But in all honesty, it could even be that Tomasi forgot when he was constructing what was clearly just an offhanded joke. :P[/QUOTE]
And I wouldn't at all be surprised if they just called her Julia Penny and never had her share a panel with Alfred from here on out. The original spent decades in limbo, if we're going to take that joke seriously then forgive Tomasi for not betting on a potentially dead horse.
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895874]
Tomasi is consistent with what he does and he goes for characters who are unlikely to date his stories. Dick, Babs, Jason and even Damian and Tim will be part of Batfamily moments in comics decades from now and they'll be featured outside of comics too. Future readers can look back and not get lost. By then unclepulky would have probably blacklisted all Bat material and 90% of the writers.[/QUOTE]
First off, I changed my username for a reason. If you're gonna address me by name, please use it.
Second, aren't you the one always claiming to base things on facts? We have no idea which BatFamily members will be prominent decades from now. Did anyone think when Harley first appeared in BTAS that she'd go on to be DC's 3rd/4th most popular character? Or when Wally first became Kid Flash that he'd end up being THE Flash with Barry not around for over two decades? Of course not. People would think you were crazy. Times change, and writing to not be "dated" even if it means ignoring character who are around, have been around for some time, and likely won't be going anywhere in the near future is just ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895893]And I wouldn't at all be surprised if they just called her Julia Penny and never had her share a panel with Alfred from here on out. The original spent decades in limbo, if we're going to take that joke seriously then forgive Tomasi for not betting on a potentially dead horse.[/QUOTE]
Ouch, poor Julia, treated as DOA already.
I wonder if they'll ever retcon her bio connection with Alfred away :confused:
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[QUOTE=Assam;2895897]First off, I changed my username for a reason. If you're gonna address me by name, please use it.
Second, aren't you the one always claiming to base things on facts? We have no idea which BatFamily members will be prominent decades from now. Did anyone think when Harley first appeared in BTAS that she'd go on to be DC's 3rd/4th most popular character? Or when Wally first became Kid Flash that he'd end up being THE Flash with Barry not around for over two decades? Of course not. People would think you were crazy. Times change, and writing to not be "dated" even if it means ignoring character who are around, have been around for some time, and likely won't be going anywhere in the near future is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
The username thing is just a habit , its actually easier to use your new name but I always think pulky when reading your posts.
Um I never predicted which character will become an uber success. What I did say was that Tomasi followed the established pattern. Look at all the Batman movies, games, toons, animated films etc and what do they all have in common? No Cass. Look at the Bat burger too, even Snyder who avoids Damian own DOTF and Endgame and his Clayface story.
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895904]The username thing is just a habit , its actually easier to use your new name but I always think pulky when reading your posts.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. Just go with Pulky then, please. Really don't want to be called "Uncle" at this point in time.
[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895904]Um I never predicted which character will become an uber success. What I did say was that Tomasi followed the established pattern. Look at all the Batman movies, games, toons, animated films etc and what do they all have in common? No Cass. Look at the Bat burger too, even Snyder who avoids Damian own DOTF and Endgame and his Clayface story.[/QUOTE]
I mean, you did mention that certain characters would be around in the comics decades from now IN ADDITION to outside media, but I guess I just misunderstood what you said.
That said, this logic is still flawed. Max Mercury has never appeared in outside media and Kyle Rayner, who, with the exception of a guest spot in an episode of STAS, has barely appeared in more than Cass. Should they be excluded from Flash and Green Lantern events? Of course not.
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Sure thing Pulky.
Yes, they may not neccessarily be memorable or important but they'll atleast be there. Case in point Tim, even Dick a lot of the time.
When was the last time we even saw Mwrcury? 2009? And before that? 1999? Lol.
Kyle is a token GL now, he'll be fodder in events if they ever bother.
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895923]Sure thing Pulky.
Yes, they may not neccessarily be memorable or important but they'll atleast be there. Case in point Tim, even Dick a lot of the time.[/QUOTE]
They may not have been in publication the whole time, but Steph has been around for 25 years, and Cass for almost 20. I fully expect that they'll eventually end up in limbo at some point down the line, but I also fully expect that each time they disappear, they'll come back. That's what their history has shown.
[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895923]When was the last time we even saw Mwrcury? 2009? And before that? 1999? Lol.
Kyle is a token GL now, he'll be fodder in events if they ever bother.[/QUOTE]
Nitpicking the details, but the years you're looking for for Max are 2011 and 2009, with 2003 being his last appearance before then. I really don't get why you think that matters. The reason he hasn't been seen since 2011 is because the [I]entire[/I] Flash Family was wiped out with the Nu52. And guess what? Williamson has plans for bringing him back. Characters go to limbo. Characters come back. It. Happens. What you're saying makes it sound like writers should only use A-listers who will always be in non-stop publication, for the sole purpose of not "confusing" readers who aren't familiar with characters who've spent time in limbo, which is ridiculous in its own right, but making it more ludicrous is that we have the internet. Don't know a character? A reader can look them up and know their entire history in under two minutes.
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[QUOTE=Assam;2895942]They may not have been in publication the whole time, but Steph has been around for 25 years, and Cass for almost 20. I fully expect that they'll eventually end up in limbo at some point down the line, but I also fully expect that each time they disappear, they'll come back. That's what their history has shown.
Nitpicking the details, but the years you're looking for for Max are 2011 and 2009, with 2003 being his last appearance before then. I really don't get why you think that matters. The reason he hasn't been seen since 2011 is because the [I]entire[/I] Flash Family was wiped out with the Nu52. And guess what? Williamson has plans for bringing him back. Characters go to limbo. Characters come back. It. Happens. What you're saying makes it sound like writers should only use A-listers who will always be in non-stop publication, for the sole purpose of not "confusing" readers who aren't familiar with characters who've spent time in limbo, which is ridiculous in its own right, but making it more ludicrous is that we have the internet. Don't know a character? A reader can look them up and know their entire history in under two minutes.[/QUOTE]
This isn't about who becomes limboed or who is more popular. This is about writers trying to keep their stories accessible and resistant to changes in time. What incentive did Tomasi or King have to include Cass? If anything adding her is a risk. Remember Hush? That didn't have Cass either.
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[QUOTE=millernumber1;2895747]Ah, thanks. Man. Tomasi is very talented, but he ALWAYS finds a way to make me glad I'm not buying any of his books. Has anyone tried to contact Tomasi or his editor about Julia? Who is, you know, actually being published right now?
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Are you kidding ? Why can't you people just let creators create. You are not reading the book. She's not a part of the book. Why anyone do such a thing is beyond me.
I don't understand what makes some fans think they have the right to do stuff like that.
Did you really expect Julia Pennyworth to pop up in Super Sons?
Super sons is one of the best things coming out if DC right now, Tomasi and the Super office are killing it let's try and keep this nonsense away from that Thank you.
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895951]This isn't about who becomes limboed or who is more popular. This is about writers trying to keep their stories accessible and resistant to changes in time. What incentive did Tomasi or King have to include Cass? If anything adding her is a risk. Remember Hush? That didn't have Cass either.[/QUOTE]
You keep saying that, and I'm sorry, but that logic makes no sense. Keeping stories accessible and resistant to changes in time? So new characters should never be used then? After all we don't know if they'll be around in the future. (Again, the internet makes this a non-issue, if it wasn't already one to begin with.) What incentive did they have to use Cass? Don't actually have a problem with her not being at the BatBurger, it's just what lvl said King said that pissed me off. And Tomasi didn't have [I]incentive[/I], just bad writing. From playing a heavy hand in trying to ruin Cass to excluding her from moments involving the rest of the Family, even after she was adopted, because he just wanted to ignore that.
And you do know [I]why[/I] she wasn't in Hush, right? Jim Lee has admitted that he just doesn't like drawing her.
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[QUOTE=darkseidpwns;2895951]This isn't about who becomes limboed or who is more popular. This is about writers trying to keep their stories accessible and resistant to changes in time. What incentive did Tomasi or King have to include Cass? If anything adding her is a risk. Remember Hush? That didn't have Cass either.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. Stories that last are ones that don't take risks with characters and status quos. 20 years from now, stories with Bunny Bats appearing in them will be head scratching. Bringing it back to the OP, I view Duke much the same way. As a character, he's not dislikable, but I guarantee that he has no legs and therefore compromises the longevity of stories that he appears in.