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[QUOTE=AJpyro;2426212]So did ALchemy make literally everyone except Emma's Team look bad by saving mutants and giving his life?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much.
Now he has that to add to his resume next to helping completely remove anti-mutant bigotry in Europe a few years ago.
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[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;2426221]Pretty much.
Now he has that to add to his resume next to helping completely remove anti-mutant bigotry in Europe a few years ago.[/QUOTE]
So basically instead of cyclops, storm should have address her speech to Alchemy.
How do these stories get written like this? Why? I don't understand.
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[QUOTE=Wissenschaft;2426224]So basically instead of cyclops, storm should have address her speech to Alchemy.
How do these stories get written like this? Why? I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
Maybe these writers are totally overworked or maybe they are not the most educated writers? I also have no idea how something like 'Death of X' can get published without editors calling out the bullshit when they see it. "Hey author, maybe your story does not make sense at all!"
But I think that it is actually a conscious strategy to anger fans because it will create attention and attentions sells. It is the "Donald Trump success"-story actually. A dumb, reality TV ******* gets a lot of attention from the media for saying highly offensive rhetorical atrocities and that is enough so he ends up becoming president. The dumbest, loudest and most offensive stories will create the most attention. I think that the X-Men also have a large fanbase with a minority background and Marvel knows exactly how to offend us.
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[QUOTE=Soulsword323;2425987]So Black Bolt and Medusa have a right to defend themselves against fake Cyclops, but Cyclops and Emma don't have the right to defend their race of people from the terrigen cloud?[/QUOTE]
Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?
At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.
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[QUOTE=People Of The Earth;2426281]Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?
At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.[/QUOTE]
now I understand what you are. You are a primitivist. Wishing the Inhumans to re-claim a long lost authenticity that was destroyed the moment they left their segregated slave society.
Like I said before, you are trivializing the violent deaths of innocent mutants to produce a narrative that implies that both "species" face the same destiny. But they don't!! Inhumans are only afraid of societal change. Mutants are afraid to die! (this is the crucial difference you seem to ignore). Mutants are acting in selfdefense, Inhumans are afraid to become weak and to change.
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[QUOTE=nx01a;2426034]Show proof. Show me panels of them going out rescuing mutants, throwing all of their alien technology and their super smart people at Beast's efforts, show them doing anything to try to contain or divert the cloud from populated areas. I'll [not] wait.[/QUOTE]
Madrid happened like one issue ago...
[QUOTE=FluffyCyclopsRLZ;2426049]There's a giant death cloud sterilizing and killing people in real time. Any "solution" that doesn't involve immediately destroying/isolating/containing aforementioned giant death cloud is pure, unadulterated evil.[/QUOTE]
Ditto.
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[QUOTE=People Of The Earth;2426281]Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?
At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.[/QUOTE]What is this survival thing for the Inhumans? Without terrigen, Inhumans can still breed and live happily in their fancy city minus the colourful powers [or with colourful powers if you count Karnak]. With terrigen, mutants all die. How is this difficult to understand? The Inhumans were fighting to keep their way of life alive. The mutants are fighting to stay alive. The Inhumans can adapt to a new way of life; most mutants can't adapt to death.
[QUOTE=People Of The Earth;2426292]Madrid happened like one issue ago...[/QUOTE]
One incident. Inhumans should have been out in force saving mutants. Mutants should have been flooding the advanced medical facilities in New Attilan. The Inhumans gave lip service to helping while waiting for the terrigen to murder their enemies, simple as that. No one challenges Medusa and the royal family and survives.
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The end of the cloud doesn't spell the end of the Inhumans. The species will live on. Possibly evolve in a different way, despite the knowledge of other terrigen crystals hidden on earth. The mutant race, in not such a defined manner will cease to exist (they say mutants become sterile, but don't say humans won't continue to pass on the X-Gene.).
And yes, they could have hugged Cyclops. In a way called capturing and placed under their care until they can find some way to find justice. But they did say that was their form of justice and he did say he wouldn't be taken prisoner (obviously a ploy of Emma so her ruse wouldn't be revealed). The moral high ground is getting rid of the clouds altogether. But that's our morality, not that of the Inhumans. In our society, they committed murder in the 2nd degree. In their society, he committed treason of some sort, and in most, that results in death.
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[QUOTE=nx01a;2426293]What is this survival thing for the Inhumans? Without terrigen, Inhumans can still breed and continue their way of life in their fancy city minus the colourful powers [or with colourful powers if you count Karnak]. With terrigen, mutants all die. How is this difficult to understand? The Inhumans were fighting to keep their way of life alive. The mutants are fighting to stay alive. The Inhumans can adapt to a new way of life; most mutants can't adapt to death.[/QUOTE]
Exactly! that makes the Inhumans extremely conservative in their behavior. To keep their traditions and values clean and authentic they risk to kill a minority.
I am wondering if we maybe have to interpret the conflict closer to current politics in the United States.
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[QUOTE=People Of The Earth;2426281]Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?
At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.[/QUOTE]
I think you might have missed my point. The same justification you keep giving Black Bolt and Medusa applies to Emma as well. Here she is faced with the knowledge that the terrigen cloud is making mutants sick and killing them, and what do you expect her to do? Sit there twiddling her thumbs and go "Hey, Its cool!". The terrigen cloud itself is threatening to END her species. She acted in self defense, just like what you keep saying Black Bolt and Medusa did.
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[QUOTE=nx01a;2426293]What is this survival thing for the Inhumans? Without terrigen, Inhumans can still breed and live happily in their fancy city minus the colourful powers [or with colourful powers if you count Karnak]. With terrigen, mutants all die. How is this difficult to understand? The Inhumans were fighting to keep their way of life alive. The mutants are fighting to stay alive. The Inhumans can adapt to a new way of life; most mutants can't adapt to death.[/QUOTE]
By that logic, M-day wasn't so harmful to mutants.
Was it? That's the kind of double standard I have no reason to abide by, sorry.
[QUOTE=nx01a;2426293]One incident. Inhumans should have been out in force saving mutants.[/QUOTE]
How ?
The moment they learnt about the toxicity, Medusa dispatched her closest team there.
Immediately after the first intervention they made in Madrid, they were attacked by Magneto, and then Faux-Scott happened.
Again, how would you have done it ?
[QUOTE=nx01a;2426293]Mutants should have been flooding the advanced medical facilities in New Attilan.The Inhumans gave lip service to helping while waiting for the terrigen to murder their enemies, simple as that. No one challenges Medusa and the royal family and survives.[/QUOTE]
Emma caused the two groups to keep appart except in the research department following Madrid. Before her stunt with Faux-Scott, the Inhumans were more than willing to pull their resources for mutants.
If you want to blame some character for this statu quo where inhumans and mutants are in cold war, blame the one who actually caused it, Emma Frost.
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[QUOTE=Soulsword323;2426317]I think you might have missed my point. The same justification you keep giving Black Bolt and Medusa applies to Emma as well. Here she is faced with the knowledge that the terrigen cloud is making mutants sick and killing them, and what do you expect her to do? Sit there twiddling her thumbs and go "Hey, Its cool!". The terrigen cloud itself is threatening to END her species. She acted in self defense, just like what you keep saying Black Bolt and Medusa did.[/QUOTE]
This is just too logical for cloud lovers to understand
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[QUOTE=People Of The Earth;2426343]By that logic, M-day wasn't so harmful to mutants.
Was it? That's the kind of double standard I have no reason to abide by, sorry.
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Mutants were depowered and some even died because of this effect and then hate groups took advantage and persecuted several of them that were now powerless... yeah, totes the same thing as some people from earth not getting powers off some gas the inhumans contaminated earth with.
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[QUOTE=xhx23x;2426351]Mutants were depowered and some even died because of this effect and then hate groups took advantage and persecuted several of them that were now powerless... yeah, totes the same thing as some people from earth not getting powers off some gas the inhumans contaminated earth with.[/QUOTE]
I'd point out that mutants had no nation to protect them, no flag to rally behind and no resources with which to fight back. After losing their powers, the same abilities that made them targets for bigots in the first place, they became easy targets for bigots.
The Inhumans still have their nation, technology and culture without the cloud, and hell, the cloud was unleashed by their ruler, not a crazy possessed mentally ill woman. So it's Black Bolt who should take the final blame for losing the cloud. And losing the cloud doesn't mean depowered Inhumans, it means future Inhumans won't gain powers. They're losing something only in the abstract.
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[QUOTE=People Of The Earth;2426343]By that logic, M-day wasn't so harmful to mutants.
Was it? That's the kind of double standard I have no reason to abide by, sorry.
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M-Day was a very different incident.