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[QUOTE=somacula;2428092]The whole story is stupid, But I'm also glad there's room for Scott to return as a fully fledged X man, but I don't see Tyke becoming leader of the X men, maybe just leading the teen squads while he learns at the same time how to be a better leader[/QUOTE]
Even though Cyclops went out with a whisper and not a bang, I'm feeling pretty relieved. When he returns, it won't be the atonement thing all over again. At this point, Emma shows she's the best girlfriend in comic book history and I think she should have the spotlight now
As for Tyke, I wouldn't mind him seeing him lead the starjammers someday.
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[QUOTE=Godzilla2099;2428075]Decades ago, I'd say yes. Today, absolutely not.
- Ever since X-Force she always condemned him.
- When Cyclops and his Uncanny Team were unstable to the after effects of the Phoenix, she showed sympathy towards others but none to Scott
- Xavier left Scott the institute. Scott gave it to Ororo. Absolutely no gratitude from her. Also when Scott asked Ororo a favor, she got annoyed with him
Her eulogy was remembering the good things about him. Do I miss the days where they were close? Absolutely[/QUOTE]
I blame it on Aaron pathetic writing, he tried to use Storm to validate wolverine side while she dismissed Scott , thus us getting hypocrite Storm that says no to murder (when Cyclops does it) and makes out with logan on the next panel (he was leading X force and she knew it); if anything since Storm was so close to Jean she should've shown some sympathy because she'd probably knows how she felt when she lost control of the phoenix, now I know that everyone might be in pain for Chuck's death but Scott would've been in pain times x 10 yet Aaron wrote her as dismissive and hateful of him to validate wolverine side, and the other writers followed through... I'm saying it again, I don't blame Storm but Aaron sad excuse of writing, if this was claremont storm (but not written by CC) she may had been in pain but would had enough tact or empathy to avoid acting hateful towards Cyke, after all they're supposed to be a family, right? ... But well, we got what we got... I don't like to open old wounds regarding crappy writing and I hope if Cyke ever comes back they can start acting as friends and not as enemies
[QUOTE=Wissenschaft;2428061]Oh and I forgot to mention, well played OP on the song choice.
[video=youtube;zHdOXCoja-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdOXCoja-c[/video]
Anyone whos played Persona 3 knows why this so is so appropriate. ;)[/QUOTE]
I think it's appropriate, I wanted a song that evocatd the feeling that Cyclops was a warrior and a friend to everyone, that protected a world that hated him and despite of that he'd stay determined and leave with love in his heart knowing he did right thing as always, and I'm glad that Emma ,the one person in the whole earth that loved him the most ,was at his side in his last moments
[QUOTE=Godzilla2099;2428102]Even though Cyclops went out with a whisper and not a bang, I'm feeling pretty relieved. When he returns, it won't be the atonement thing all over again. [B]At this point, Emma shows she's the best girlfriend in comic book history and I think she should have the spotlight now[/B]
As for Tyke, I wouldn't mind him seeing him lead the starjammers someday.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, at this point she's easily surpassed mera , mary jane, black canary, and Lois Lane and Linda parks YOU HAVE BEEN OUTCLASSED
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[QUOTE=Psi-Lord;2428060]I believe that, because it was marketed as a prelude to IvX and it was supposed to explain what Scott did to make mutants more hated than ever, the intention of DoX was to make us see that both sides have a point, that this is a balanced conflict, and the writers failed, of course. DoX was not supposed to be solely a Cyclops or an X-Book just because it shows Scott's death.[/QUOTE]
I agree that's what it should have been but, to the extent they intended to attempt that, they abandoned it after the first book.
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[QUOTE=somacula;2428092]The whole story is stupid, But I'm also glad there's room for Scott to return as a fully fledged X man, but I don't see Tyke becoming leader of the X men, maybe just leading the teen squads while he learns at the same time how to be a better leader[/QUOTE]
I did say "future leader of the x-men". We know Tyke has the tools and Cyke was already the boss by the time Tyke was his age. Bendis destroyed his authority, moral and otherwise but he'll get it back. DOX actually goes a long way toward accomplishing that, for both of them.
[QUOTE=somacula;2428114]Yeah, at this point she's easily surpassed mera , mary jane, black canary, and Lois Lane and Linda parks YOU HAVE BEEN OUTCLASSED[/QUOTE]
Yeah if Cyke comes back its high time he puts this lady front and center. Emma deserves to stop living in Jean's shadow after a decade (or however long it's been in Marvel time).
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[QUOTE=Wolverine12;2426521]***I posted this in another thread before I started reading this one. The post applies in both threads but is probably more suited for this thread.
So what exactly did Cyclops do that made him the most hated mutant of all time? He died researching a life threatening problem for mutants and then his image was propped up to destroy the toxin that was killing his people and then he was martyr'd. Who would hate him for that?
I would say I hope that this is further explored in IvX but it can't be because Cyke is dead and besides a few people knowing how he really died, most will think he died trying to save his people from extinction.
I don't understand how the Inhuman's don't come out of this as the bad guys, I don't understand how Inhuman fans could not be upset for how the characters are being portrayed. They created the t-bomb/mist, even though they didn't know how it would affect mutants before hand, that does not absolve them of blame. Not knowing that feeding a person poison will kill them does not count as a defense for murder, at best it's manslaughter and still a crime, now expand this to not just one person but an entire species.
Sure Storm and Medusa said they would work together to find a cure, but that wasn't working fast enough. What's to stop them from working on a way to reform terrigennisis once the immediate threat to lives had been removed? The logic of waiting for Storm/Medusa to figure out a cure for a toxin that is actively killing people over the logic of them removing the toxin and then working on a solution to restore the ability of terigennisis is simply flawed. That may be poor writing on the authors part, but to argue that the first solution is the superior solution is simply showing a bias of cultural prominence over human life.
The argument that humans and mutants can just simply run away from the cloud is just as crazy. The logic behind that is the inhumans culture takes precedent over every other race/beings lives. Let's look at it from a human who does not want to transforms perspective, "Okay the T-cloud is going to be here next week, I need to move my family (lets say 4 people) out of our home for however long the t-cloud remains in my home." Let's say that the t-cloud lingers for a week, what about schooling, work, pets, criminals now having free run of empty homes because someone didn't want to become an inhuman. This could easily cause undue economic hardships, that's not even getting into the ideas about households that are split on wanting to become nuhumans or not. Let's say a husband want's to stay but the wife doesn't, they have kids, who gets to make the call for the kids?
All of the previously listed problems apply to mutants, but on top of that the mist kills and neuters them. What about mutants or humans that simply can't leave, such as homeless populations, the poor or elderly? Telling someone they can just pickup and move from their home is not a good enough excuse to keep the clouds.
Removing the t-mist doesn't kill inhumans, it doesn't even make them nonviable as a species because they can procreate until the end of time and those genes whether dormant or active will be there just waiting for somebody to discover terigennisis again and then you have the ability to "activate" the dormant gene. This is one of the most one sided conflicts I've ever read in a work of fiction.
Let's look at is this way, say the United States created a mist that would turn certain humans with the right genes into Americans (NuMuricans). They released the mist into the atmosphere at some point to try to save themselves as a culture/race because they were facing an immediate threat of complete destruction. The mist worked and American's are now popping up all over the globe and they are now a viable species again, some of the NuMuricans are happy with the change and others not so much. A few weeks/months later we learn that the mist is deadly to all Europeans, it kills them quickly and sterilizes them immediately. Now there are plenty of American's to procreate naturally but the mist speeds up this process and the Americans see it as a defining feature of their culture. The European's have found a way to destroy it and save themselves as a viable species. The American's try to stop them because the mist is their "tradition" and their "culture" must be maintained. The best minds from both sides are working on a cure, but every day European's are dying or are forced to flee their homes simply to live. The best minds vow to continue to work together regardless of the problem, whether it be finding a new way to create "NuMurican's" or a way to alter the current mist so that it is no longer deadly to Europeans. Keep in mind that more European's are dying everyday, what option do we choose?
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The X-Men are right, end of story.[/B][/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;barWV7RWkq0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV7RWkq0[/video]
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Lol but true.
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[QUOTE=Wissenschaft;2427742]And Magneto technically never wanted to be seen as a Mutant Messiah. Too bad. Wheres my T-shirt? :P
Ironically, while I didn't think it was possible, Death of X has actually made me excited for IvX. I want to see what Emma's been up to the last 8 months.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I so want to see Emma Frost in all her glory...she is so scary when crossed and the best thing about it is the Inhumans have no idea they awoke a sleeping dragon.
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seeing all this well-deserved hate online for Death of X, I really do not want to be the writer of this book. He must be crying somewhere in a dark corner (if he even cares how his work is perceived)...maybe they should give him some Inhuman book to write and exit him on the X-books ASAP.
Using the symbol of mutant oppression, a Sentinel, as a comic relief in Extraordinary X-Men should have been reason enough already to better choose a different comicbook series for him to write...
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[QUOTE=blanchett;2427822][ATTACH=CONFIG]41970[/ATTACH]
I just mocked this up for fun.[/QUOTE]
I'd buy that.
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Emma is friggin nuts. I really hope this is explored in her next appearance bc she should by all accounts be in the middle of a mental breakdown
As far as what Scott "did"....what a letdown. Nothing from this issue really warranted any of the hate he got after the 8 month gap. I fail to see how he is this big bad villian. Blackbolt murdered him as far as everyone knows. "Scott" managed to neutralize one of the clouds that was killing the mutants. He should be seen as a hero
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[QUOTE=Havok83;2428744]He should be seen as a hero[/QUOTE]
We're all agreed here with this fact.
Now, the only option left is for marvel to say the antiliving mist is a mist that make poeple and marvel writer lose their mind which lead to have charcater saying nonsense and tsory to be completely incoherent. Now the real question is : Ho long this terrible mist from the nohuman was here ? Since Fraction ? Since Marvel think about money more than anyting else ? No wait...since Greg Land ???!!!!
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This scene makes absolutely no sense. Talk about trying to stir up mutant hysteria in times of a crisis
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[QUOTE=Godzilla2099;2428102]Even though Cyclops went out with a whisper and not a bang, I'm feeling pretty relieved. When he returns, it won't be the atonement thing all over again. At this point, Emma shows she's the best girlfriend in comic book history and I think she should have the spotlight now
As for Tyke, I wouldn't mind him seeing him lead the starjammers someday.[/QUOTE]
If there is a silver lining at all to this, I think you nailed it. My biggest concern about Death of X would be that it would do permanent damage to his legacy and his character. Like Hank Pym beating his wife, it would be one of those moments that he'd never live down. That didn't happen though. Cyclops didn't do anything egregious. He quite literally was in no position to do anything that bad. Sure, his death was somewhat inglorious, but he didn't die tarnishing his legacy and all he had done to rebuild it after AvX. I think, in the grand scheme of things, that's a positive. I don't like it when characters get this massive blot on their reputation that they can never shake. Cyclops, of all characters, doesn't deserve something like that. I still have a feeling that Marvel will keep him dead for a good long while so that O5 Cyclops can fill the role. When he does eventually return, he won't have so much baggage to deal with.
There haven't been a lot of positives for Cyclops and the X-books lately. You have to take them where you can get them and in this case, I think this was the best we could've hoped for, given the circumstances.
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[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;2428754][IMG]http://67.media.tumblr.com/4bfc9c410fba8660e0b8e308d01524ad/tumblr_inline_o4567j3hxu1rqpcix_500.jpg[/IMG]
This scene makes absolutely no sense. Talk about trying to stir up mutant hysteria in times of a crisis[/QUOTE]
[B]WTF?!?[/B] Can the Inhumans be shown any more hateful and disgusting?!
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The only reputation this damaged was the inhumans.