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[QUOTE=Nisus;2429113]I don't think that many humans (and mutants) would care that much about the destruction of a sacred possession of another culture. Even more, the destruction of a very controversial one.[/QUOTE]
And I never thought women would vote for a sexist @$$hole over a woman who fought her way to the top, yet here we are. Hell, we still have people who deny climate change is a real thing.
People have contradictions, and people are idiots. Often, the two mix. Just sayin'.
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'I really wanted to say Death to All Inhumans but Cyclops did nothing wrong got a more visceral reaction from me because i'm still trying to figure out what he did.
the inhumans who I use to once like now disgust me.
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[QUOTE=Nisus;2429113]I don't think that many humans (and mutants) would care that much about the destruction of a sacred possession of another culture. Even more, the destruction of a very controversial one.[/QUOTE]If said 'sacred possession' is a worldwide biological weapon, humans and mutants should be cheering its destruction.
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[QUOTE=nx01a;2429144]If said 'sacred possession' is a worldwide biological weapon, humans and mutants should be cheering its destruction.[/QUOTE]
I'm still wondering no goverment told new attilan: "get rid of the cloud or the weatherforecast willbe nuclear fallout"
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I haven't read every page and every comment so not sure if this was already posted here but it definitely sums up very well everything wrong with DoX and the build up to it:
[url]http://imgur.com/a/pzAbl[/url]
In so many issues of ANXM and EXM Cyclops was demonized and his actions were compared to a genocide, mass murder and the acts of Hitler himself! But now that we've finally seen these actions for ourselves in the pages of DoX we can confirm what most of us expected from the moment this whole thing was announced; the story in DoX does not match the description of the events in ANXM and EXM one bit! So there's a massive hole here since the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit together.
Where are the editors in all of this? Isn't it their job to make sure that these things work? And did these writers really come up with the story in DoX only AFTER they (and countless other writers) had already hyped it and vaguely described it in tons of different books? How can professional writers be so incompetent? I'm not even a writer and I realize that if you are going to do a story in this way where there is some vague mystery event that happens and you only reveal it after you have already described it in stories that take place after it that you have the mystery event story planned out BEFORE you write the stories that take place AFTER it! It's like writing a murder mystery story where you must come up with the ending reveal, the killer and the motive first and then start writing your story backwards. Otherwise you are going to have exactly this problem where the past story doesn't fit the description given of it in the stories that come after. This shouldn't be so difficult to understand, especially for [I]professional writers[/I]!
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[QUOTE=JustAnotherFan;2429295]I haven't read every page and every comment so not sure if this was already posted here but it definitely sums up very well everything wrong with DoX and the build up to it:
[url]http://imgur.com/a/pzAbl[/url]
In so many issues of ANXM and EXM Cyclops was demonized and his actions were compared to a genocide, mass murder and the acts of Hitler himself! But now that we've finally seen these actions for ourselves in the pages of DoX we can confirm what most of us expected from the moment this whole thing was announced; the story in DoX does not match the description of the events in ANXM and EXM one bit! So there's a massive hole here since the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit together.
Where are the editors in all of this? Isn't it their job to make sure that these things work? And did these writers really come up with the story in DoX only AFTER they (and countless other writers) had already hyped it and vaguely described it in tons of different books? How can professional writers be so incompetent? I'm not even a writer and I realize that if you are going to do a story in this way where there is some vague mystery event that happens and you only reveal it after you have already described it in stories that take place after it that you have the mystery event story planned out BEFORE you write the stories that take place AFTER it! It's like writing a murder mystery story where you must come up with the ending reveal, the killer and the motive first and then start writing your story backwards. Otherwise you are going to have exactly this problem where the past story doesn't fit the description given of it in the stories that come after. This shouldn't be so difficult to understand, especially for [I]professional writers[/I]![/QUOTE]
1. Yes, pretty much everything to do with EvilClops was an embarrassment to authorial/editorial cohesiveness. Don't let last year's continuity stand in the way of enjoying the crossover we rewrote three months ago and the second half of that other crossover we're currently rewriting!!! Honestly, there's just not enough facepalms in the universe to properly convey this wreck.
2. Remember a year back when some folks were actually defending the shameless vagueness of it all? Good times. :D
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[QUOTE=JustAnotherFan;2429295]I haven't read every page and every comment so not sure if this was already posted here but it definitely sums up very well everything wrong with DoX and the build up to it:
[url]http://imgur.com/a/pzAbl[/url]
In so many issues of ANXM and EXM Cyclops was demonized and his actions were compared to a genocide, mass murder and the acts of Hitler himself! But now that we've finally seen these actions for ourselves in the pages of DoX we can confirm what most of us expected from the moment this whole thing was announced; the story in DoX does not match the description of the events in ANXM and EXM one bit! So there's a massive hole here since the pieces of the puzzle just don't fit together.
Where are the editors in all of this? Isn't it their job to make sure that these things work? And did these writers really come up with the story in DoX only AFTER they (and countless other writers) had already hyped it and vaguely described it in tons of different books? How can professional writers be so incompetent? I'm not even a writer and I realize that if you are going to do a story in this way where there is some vague mystery event that happens and you only reveal it after you have already described it in stories that take place after it that you have the mystery event story planned out BEFORE you write the stories that take place AFTER it! It's like writing a murder mystery story where you must come up with the ending reveal, the killer and the motive first and then start writing your story backwards. Otherwise you are going to have exactly this problem where the past story doesn't fit the description given of it in the stories that come after. This shouldn't be so difficult to understand, especially for [I]professional writers[/I]![/QUOTE]
Yes! My feelings exactly. Reading Death of X has only confirmed my belief that the Inhumans Black Bolt is more villainous than Cyclops. Yes, a young X-Man died for the cause and most mutants think that Cyclops was responsible. Black Bolt is responsible for so many more deaths, Inhuman, Mutant, and Human since the T-Bomb blew up Attilan. Why and how is Cyclops so reviled by characters months later, even after these events? He was able to change a cloud of deadly Terrigen and then he was murdered by Black Bolt. It doesn't add up? What did he do that was so horrific?
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[QUOTE=a moment closer;2429369]Yes! My feelings exactly. Reading Death of X has only confirmed my belief that the Inhumans Black Bolt is more villainous than Cyclops. Yes, a young X-Man died for the cause and most mutants think that Cyclops was responsible. Black Bolt is responsible for so many more deaths, Inhuman, Mutant, and Human since the T-Bomb blew up Attilan. Why and how is Cyclops so reviled by characters months later, even after these events? He was able to change a cloud of deadly Terrigen and then he was murdered by Black Bolt. It doesn't add up? What did he do that was so horrific?[/QUOTE]
EvilClops posthumously poisoned (somehow) a third giant death cloud and BILLIONS died. It was so horrific not a single character in the entire MU could give actual specifics, ever.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;2428944]Ya know, I doubt it's intended as such, but perhaps this in the real world would explain why Cyclops is so hated, in that he's destroyed a sacred possession of another culture.
Think about it. At least Americans, romanticize foreign cultures to an insane degree. Traveling to Asia is sure to get a white man mystic powers (Dr. Strange, Iron Fist, I'm looking at you), to say nothing of foreign medicines, practices and what-have you. We give them more validity because they're strange and foreign. Who needs blind studies, and FDA approved peer review?
Hell, just minutes ago in another thread, I was told I couldn't judge Inhuman society for using slavery, because I was using my cultural standards, not theirs.
More than that, I think we overlook at that a lot of racism is internalized. Spend ten minutes on google looking and I bet you could find dozens of stories of homosexuals who hate themselves for no reason other than society/their environment tells them that being homosexual is evil/bad (and after those ten minutes looking, five reading and probably twenty crying). They haven't done anything wrong, yet hate themselves for being 'wrong'. Mutants deal with much the same thing within the MU.
All the facts are on Scott's side, yes. But facts often matter far less than they should. Scott destroyed a sacrament of a hidden society that the world at large is enamored with. The fact that it was killing mutants can be easily dismissed with countless excuses. And its harder than most people think to insulate one's self from the world at large, so perhaps Storm et all find themselves swept up in the racism against their own kind.
Granted, I doubt this is what the writers intended, but I'll take the no-prize! ;)[/QUOTE]
Like Emma said, it doesnt matter which version is true, what it matters is which one is believed.
Besides, im pretty sure that the Inhumans have this level of PR.
[video=youtube;pS7JBHxdxko]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS7JBHxdxko[/video]
I wonder if everyone treating Cyclops as worse than Hitler is part of the truce that Storm made with the Inhumans; you know, like doublethink.
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I don't like the fact that Cyclops already died from the first issue because it makes me feel like Cyclops didn't do anything at all. Lemire should have make him alive until the last issue. That would have been a more meaningful death, not just an idea, but real.
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2429757]I don't like the fact that Cyclops already died from the first issue because it makes me feel like Cyclops didn't do anything at all. Lemire should have make him alive until the last issue. That would have been a more meaningful death, not just an idea, but real.[/QUOTE]I actually liked that twist. To me it was the only interesting part of this terrible, terrible story. If anything, it made Cyclops' death more notable and moving. Otherwise it would just have been another pointless sacrifice.
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So 2 plotholes:
1)Where the heck does M-Pox come from?
2)Why was Goldballs there?
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CBR should write "The 15 biggest plotholes in DoX".
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[QUOTE=Nisus;2429892]CBR should write "The 15 biggest plotholes in DoX".[/QUOTE]
I already know no.1: the strawmen (cyke and Emma) are right.
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2429757]I don't like the fact that Cyclops already died from the first issue because it makes me feel like Cyclops didn't do anything at all. Lemire should have make him alive until the last issue. That would have been a more meaningful death, not just an idea, but real.[/QUOTE]
This.
DEATH OF X writing and art were fine if this were a stand-alone, "what if" kind of story. But this series was supposed to fill in gaps and answer questions, and the continuity issues are really disturbing as others have pointed out. This series leaves X-Men readers in a bind. On the one hand, Scott Summers' fans were tortured for a year and a half with teasers about Cyclops = Fascist genocidal monster so this abrupt about-face, this obvious plot alteration, is for the good and I'm glad the Marvel and X-Men editors changed their minds. On the other hand, this obvious plot alteration makes a mess of continuity, is confusing, and indicates (to me) an editorial dereliction of duty. (At least give some explanation on-panel for the obvious swerve in plans, make some attempt to suture the splice.)
But above all, as stated above, none of the entire last year of belittling and criminalizing Cyclops by insinuation matters anyway! Because he died the first issue, and wasn't really the star of this event. He neither did the "evil" thing he was supposed to have done, nor did he end up being a hero because it was Emma who actually fixed the cloud and created a virtual-reality Cyclops who sacrificed himself to Black Bolt's self-righteous temper-tantrum. There was no Cyclops in DoX after issue #1. There is no there there. It's like the equation: -1 + 1 = 0.