[QUOTE=Pinsir;2533950] But not even Ares can withstand Wonder Woman's signature technique! ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire
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[QUOTE=Pinsir;2533950] But not even Ares can withstand Wonder Woman's signature technique! ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire
[QUOTE=brettc1;2533860]I would rather have Wonder Woman front and center than a bunch of immortal mafia characters with an overabundance of personality.
Spooky is exciting, if you have a good imagination :)[/QUOTE]
She might be front and center but what's the point when you have bland or non-existing personality.
Being spooked for nothing, equivalent to seeing a spooky shadow but turn on a light and it's just a coat on a coat hanger. This is basically what it's been so far, hyped up for nothing with diluted conclusions and bland characters.
[QUOTE=brettc1;2533870]LOL. Quote of the month!
And hey, Captain Kirk agrees with you :)
[video=youtube;Z1SHxFAEjEk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SHxFAEjEk[/video][/QUOTE]
One of my very favorite Original Series episodes! That could've easily been an episode for the Wonder Woman TV show! :)
[QUOTE=Pinsir;2533950]But not even Ares can withstand Wonder Woman's signature technique! ;)[/QUOTE]
Yep. As far as I'm concerned, violence should never be the way to defeat Ares.
Another analogy is saying that it's like trying to beat Superman with a yellow sun generator. If a character gains power from a given thing, then that given thing should NOT be a valid weapon against him/her. Using yellow sunlight against Superman? Futile. Using water as a weapon against Aquaman? Futile, unless you're somehow drawing the water OUT of him. Violence against Ares? Futile, without some special circumstances, such as a god-killing weapon or perhaps the backing of another War God.
[QUOTE=LoveStar;2533980]She might be front and center but what's the point when you have bland or non-existing personality. [/QUOTE]
None I suppose, but since that isn't the case here I an unconcerned :)
[QUOTE]Being spooked for nothing, equivalent to seeing a spooky shadow but turn on a light and it's just a coat on a coat hanger. This is basically what it's been so far, hyped up for nothing with diluted conclusions and bland characters.[/QUOTE]
A big black tree that has never been there before appears and then disappears, and then reappears again when everything is wrong. That's weird. I've seen Poltergeist and Spielberg did a wonderful job showing the threat of a tree just being a tree.
Nothing bland about Diana.
Or Steve's chest :D
[QUOTE=LoveStar;2533980]She might be front and center but what's the point when you have bland or non-existing personality.[/QUOTE]
As far as the present day is concerned (where she's older and more experienced), it's the same personality she had under Azzarello. So if you don't like her here, you didn't like here there either.
[QUOTE=brettc1;2534690]None I suppose, but since that isn't the case here I an unconcerned :)
A big black tree that has never been there before appears and then disappears, and then reappears again when everything is wrong. That's weird. I've seen Poltergeist and Spielberg did a wonderful job showing the threat of a tree just being a tree.
Nothing bland about Diana.
Or Steve's chest :D[/QUOTE]
Don't care for a character who has to take off his shirt for nothing every or every other issue. That's actually unappealing and seems more deperate seeking attention for the character that offers nothing else. Diana hasn't done anything memorable or that stands out in 14 issues.
"Everything is wrong," all of a sudden to retcon an entire run, part of the character with contradictions and plotholes. Blah, should've just ignored new 52 and rebooted completely which this is anyway a reboot no matter how you spin it.
It is kinda a funny double-standard. I think they've found a reason to make Steve shirtless in every single issue of this arc. I personally am not bothered by it, but neither am I bothered by Diana showing lots of skin, so at least I'm consistent.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;2534712]As far as the present day is concerned (where she's older and more experienced), it's the same personality she had under Azzarello. So if you don't like her here, you didn't like here there either.[/QUOTE]
No her present day characterization and personality is definitely not the same. And didn't she jump from 23 to 28 in what...a month. Experienced in what though? She doesn't know love, she doesnt know who she is, why is she even Wonder Woman and she's about to be locked up in an institute. At least with any part of new52, Diana made it clear she knew who she was within herself no matter what. Not this contrived nonsense of someone convinietly screwing with her head because the lasso was broke.
[QUOTE=LoveStar;2534811]Don't care for a character who has to take off his shirt for nothing every or every other issue. That's actually unappealing and seems more deperate seeking attention for the character that offers nothing else. Diana hasn't done anything memorable or that stands out in 14 issues.
"Everything is wrong," all of a sudden to retcon an entire run, part of the character with contradictions and plotholes. Blah, should've just ignored new 52 and rebooted completely which this is anyway a reboot no matter how you spin it.[/QUOTE]
You say you have a problem with Steve being shirtless often. Did you also have a problem with Strife waltzing around in her uber-revealing dress or the First Born walking around shirtless in Azzarello's run?
[QUOTE=LoveStar;2534824]No her present day characterization and personality is definitely not the same. And didn't she jump from 23 to 28 in what...a month. Experienced in what though? She doesn't know love, she doesnt know who she is, why is she even Wonder Woman and she's about to be locked up in an institute. At least with any part of new52, Diana made it clear she knew who she was within herself no matter what. Not this contrived nonsense of someone convinietly screwing with her head because the lasso was broke.[/QUOTE]
Yet in Azzarello's run, Diana believed she was made from clay for decades only to find out that she was lied to.
[QUOTE=Dr. Poison;2534842]You say you have a problem with Steve being shirtless often. Did you also have a problem with Strife waltzing around in her uber-revealing dress or the First Born walking around shirtless in Azzarello's run?[/QUOTE]
I have a problem with it because it annoying to purposely do it, just to get attention to a character because it's nothing else he can offer. Strifes dress wasn't uber-revealing, it was just a design and was without attention seeking, also with first born. Characters can be shirtless but do it when it's necessary not because the character needs attention.
[QUOTE=Dr. Poison;2534846]Yet in Azzarello's run, Diana believed she was made from clay for decades only to find out that she was lied to.[/QUOTE]
She believed she was made of clay because Hippolyta had an affair with Zeus and she wanted to protect Diana from Hera.
[QUOTE=LoveStar;2534824]No her present day characterization and personality is definitely not the same. And didn't she jump from 23 to 28 in what...a month. Experienced in what though? She doesn't know love, she doesnt know who she is, why is she even Wonder Woman and she's about to be locked up in an institute. At least with any part of new52, Diana made it clear she knew who she was within herself no matter what. Not this contrived nonsense of someone convinietly screwing with her head because the lasso was broke.[/QUOTE]
She didn't know she was Zeus's daughter and thought she was clay before hand, and there were plenty of things about Amazon culture she didn't know about in the New 52. She made it from 23 to 28 because as Wally West realized, years were stolen from the DC universe and there being worked back in.
A person can have trouble with romantic relationships and still know love (multiple forms of love exist, and nowhere did she say she was alien to to emotion period), and I don't even know what "she doesn't know why she's Wonder Woman" even means. Here compassion and intellect resolved the Urzkartaga situation, while still kicking the asses of the Bouda, so no difference at all there.
[QUOTE=LoveStar;2534867]I have a problem with it because it annoying to purposely do it, just to get attention to a character because it's nothing else he can offer. Strifes dress wasn't uber-revealing, it was just a design and was without attention seeking, also with first born. Characters can be shirtless but do it when it's necessary not because the character needs attention.[/QUOTE]
It's not a way to get attention just for his character. The comics industry is notorious for catering to the male gaze. Which is fine, but it's too heavily skewed that way. It helps make things more equal. Fanservice is great, but cater to everyone and provide something for the female/gay male fans to lust after.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;2534871]She didn't know she was Zeus's daughter and thought she was clay before hand, and there were plenty of things about Amazon culture she didn't know about in the New 52. She made it from 23 to 28 because as Wally West realized, years were stolen from the DC universe and there being worked back in.
A person can have trouble with romantic relationships and still know love (multiple forms of love exist, and nowhere did she say she was alien to to emotion period), and I don't even know what "she doesn't know why she's Wonder Woman" even means. Here compassion and intellect resolved the Urzkartaga situation, while still kicking the asses of the Bouda, so no difference at all there.[/QUOTE]
The time jump is a convulted mess period, contradicting things to make other things fit.
Sure you can have romantic trouble, that's what being in a relationship consist of. Going through ups and downs, learn and grow. But how can you all of a sudden say you don't know romance when you stuck with a guy for 5 years, fought through everything you went through with him, even thought to have his kids and marry him, and was right there when he died. Not even 6 months later belittle everything? No, that's not love in anyway, not even for a friend.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;2534871]
It's not a way to get attention just for his character. The comics industry is notorious for catering to the male gaze. Which is fine, but it's too heavily skewed that way. It helps make things more equal. Fanservice is great, but cater to everyone and provide something for the female/gay male fans to lust after.[/QUOTE]
That's understandable for equality. But every issue even with female characters is unappealing, annoying, and not needed.