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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;2800340]Honestly Yondu and Gamora are the only ones i would say have done anything to be called bad. Rockets a bounty hunter and Theif, Drax just wants revenge, Groot was jusy loyal, and Peter was a theif. Moraly questionable sure but not bad.[/QUOTE]
Baby Groot is already punching animals out for allegedly looking at him funny. He also murdered a guy that he could have let flee. As far as I could tell it had everything to do with how he was treated earlier by the Ravagers. They humiliated baby Groot so baby Groot murders one of them. He's pretty much establishing himself as an a-hole.
Edit: I've heard a lot of speculation that Groot is going to be an adult by Avengers. I think he's going to be teen Groot still and he'll be adult by Guardians 3. What do you all think?
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[QUOTE=Rogue Star;2800452]Baby Groot is already punching animals out for allegedly looking at him funny. He also murdered a guy that he could have let flee. As far as I could tell it had everything to do with how he was treated earlier by the Ravagers. They humiliated baby Groot so baby Groot murders one of them. He's pretty much establishing himself as an a-hole.
Edit: I've heard a lot of speculation that Groot is going to be an adult by Avengers. I think he's going to be teen Groot still and he'll be adult by Guardians 3. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]
The Ravanger that Groot murdered is the one that poured liquor on him.
I hope Groot becomes an adult by Avengers 3. Don't want to see angsty teenage Groot when Thanos shows up.
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;2800513]The Ravanger that Groot murdered is the one that poured liquor on him.
I hope Groot becomes an adult by Avengers 3. Don't want to see angsty teenage Groot when Thanos shows up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I thought it was. The moral of the story is: never water Baby Groot -- he[b] will [/b]murder you.
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Just saw it. Once again, Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy franchise proves to be an entertaining and quirky mish-mash of Marvel space concepts. A couple of Starlin characters here. A nod to the original GotG there. Throw in Ego the Living Planet and hey, lets make him a Celestial.
But you know what? They make it work.
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;2799500]I don't understand the complaints about the first half of the movie. Is it so wrong to develop characters when there isn't anything going on?[/quote]
Yes.
This is not a TV show. We payed for full show, not half an hour of store while the rest is just random stuff.
[quote]That's still important even if nothing is out to kill them or need saving. It's nice having a reason to care before the plot kicks in. I love slice of life stuff so I'm heavily bias.[/QUOTE]
Care about what? The main story was all about Star-lord and when Ego reveals what everyone knew was coming what was there to care about. If Peter had actually made a decision to leave or something like that then there's some tension but everyone that the precise reactions they needed to have. Drax was just there, Gamora was angry, and PQ was giddy for a few minutes.
That joke when they say, "Hey, we are saving the galaxy again," Is pretty much what the movie is. It's just and after though.
If this whole thing would've played as a drama i would've given it a all the props in the world. But it followed the silly formula from the first film that took away any impact the story had.
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See, I think the main mistake you are making is that you went from the assumption that the movie is just about Peter and Ego, and that the rest is just background noise. It's as much about Yondu and Rocket as it is about Ego.
Andd what the movie is really not about is Ego wanting to destroy the universe. That's just the background noise.
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[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;2800513]The Ravanger that Groot murdered is the one that poured liquor on him.
I hope Groot becomes an adult by Avengers 3. Don't want to see angsty teenage Groot when Thanos shows up.[/QUOTE]
Young adult Groot, hitting on a cute Banyan while Rocket is telling him to stop flirting.
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[QUOTE=Sighphi;2802052]Yes.
This is not a TV show. We payed for full show, not half an hour of store while the rest is just random stuff.
Care about what? The main story was all about Star-lord and when Ego reveals what everyone knew was coming what was there to care about. If Peter had actually made a decision to leave or something like that then there's some tension but everyone that the precise reactions they needed to have. Drax was just there, Gamora was angry, and PQ was giddy for a few minutes.
That joke when they say, "Hey, we are saving the galaxy again," Is pretty much what the movie is. It's just and after though.
If this whole thing would've played as a drama i would've given it a all the props in the world. But it followed the silly formula from the first film that took away any impact the story had.[/QUOTE]
The movie's main focus is to develop the characters. Star-Lord and Ego didn't become a plot until he told Peter he gave his mom cancer. The universe doesn't need to come to an end for development to happen and for it to be enjoyable to watch. I can happily watch Rocket being an asshole to everyone for 2 hours.
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[QUOTE=Carabas;2802288]See, I think the main mistake you are making is that you went from the assumption that the movie is just about Peter and Ego, and that the rest is just background noise. It's as much about Yondu and Rocket as it is about Ego.[/quote]
Which was a pretty big deal. I wasn't a big fan of Rocket in the previous movie, merely tolerating him. But the development he got in this movie made him more sympathetic. An even bigger, and more pleasant, surprise -- I wasn't expecting him to bond with Yondu either, especially since Rocket's usually teamed up with Groot. But it worked.
[quote]Andd what the movie is really not about is Ego wanting to destroy the universe. That's just the background noise.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Between Peter/Ego, Gamora/Nebula, Drax/Mantis, Yondu/Rocket, and even the Ravagers turning up en masse for Yondu, the movie was much more about relationships and chosen family (Gamora blatantly says as much, I think). I liked Ego as a villain -- he could've been better developed, sure, but it really struck me that, even though he was an MCU villain, he really did love Meredith and that he was genuinely and paternally excited about connecting with Peter, eager to make up for lost time. If he didn't think of himself as so superior, he wouldn't have killed Meredith and he wouldn't have a cosmic scheme that would ruin his relationship with his son. Whereas Yondu saying, "He was your father, but he ain't your daddy," was a true wham line.
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[QUOTE=Rogue Star;2800452]Baby Groot is already punching animals out for allegedly looking at him funny. He also murdered a guy that he could have let flee. As far as I could tell it had everything to do with how he was treated earlier by the Ravagers. They humiliated baby Groot so baby Groot murders one of them. He's pretty much establishing himself as an a-hole.
Edit: I've heard a lot of speculation that Groot is going to be an adult by Avengers. I think he's going to be teen Groot still and he'll be adult by Guardians 3. What do you all think?[/QUOTE]
Well rocket and Yandu kill about 100ppl in that scene gleefully. Groot taking out one asshole isnt that noticable. Plus hes like a toddler, have you seen how children treat dogs and other small animals when they think no ones looking.
I would love a flashback to see how rocket and groot met.
I think hes an adult but slighly younger looking then guardians vol1 when we see Groot again. Or i hope because Drax just aint cutting it with Hulk and Thor in the MCU so Groot gonna have to be the strongman.
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[QUOTE=Cyke;2802880]Which was a pretty big deal. I wasn't a big fan of Rocket in the previous movie, merely tolerating him. But the development he got in this movie made him more sympathetic. An even bigger, and more pleasant, surprise -- I wasn't expecting him to bond with Yondu either, especially since Rocket's usually teamed up with Groot. But it worked.
Yeah. Between Peter/Ego, Gamora/Nebula, Drax/Mantis, Yondu/Rocket, and even the Ravagers turning up en masse for Yondu, the movie was much more about relationships and chosen family (Gamora blatantly says as much, I think). I liked Ego as a villain -- he could've been better developed, sure, but it really struck me that, even though he was an MCU villain, he really did love Meredith and that he was genuinely and paternally excited about connecting with Peter, eager to make up for lost time. If he didn't think of himself as so superior, he wouldn't have killed Meredith and he wouldn't have a cosmic scheme that would ruin his relationship with his son. Whereas Yondu saying, "He was your father, but he ain't your daddy," was a true wham line.[/QUOTE]
It was painfully ironic how Ego wanted so desperately to find his purpose and a meaning to his existence while he would have had those if he stayed on earth for his wife and son. It was there in front of his face the whole time but his ego got in the way. Tragic character -- That's why I loved him.
And just think of how Peter must've felt after watching Ego fall apart. He had lost his mother and now his father. Yeah he was probably thinking he was about to die on that planet too but I think he was much more consumed with the loss of his father and the loss of his hope. That made it even more powerful when he realized that Yondu was the father he had been hoping for all along only to lose him too.
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[QUOTE=Carabas;2802288]See, I think the main mistake you are making is that you went from the assumption that the movie is just about Peter and Ego, and that the rest is just background noise. It's as much about Yondu and Rocket as it is about Ego.
Andd what the movie is really not about is Ego wanting to destroy the universe. That's just the background noise.[/QUOTE]
I didnt make any mistakes, the main characters have little to do while the side characters are the ones that actually have a goal in the movie. I said this from the start.
Im not saying this because i wanted them to have something to do and ignore the rest. Im saying this because there were large blocks where group that has the most cast members is doing little.
And please, the whole marketing and info released about this movie is about SL and Ego. So on top of what i said they actually promoted this movie that way.
[QUOTE=Immortal Weapon;2802364]The movie's main focus is to develop the characters.[/quote]
Too bad that this is wrap around all that silly nonesense.
Like i said, if this would've been a full drama i would've been praising it all over the place but instead it was the same generic stuff with a bit of expansion on the characters. Some of if that was actually known from the last movie.
[QUOTE] Star-Lord and Ego didn't become a plot until he told Peter he gave his mom cancer.[/QUOTE]
And that was bad because the main cast was doing nothing for a while. The Ravagers were the ones that were more interesting.
[quote]The universe doesn't need to come to an end for development to happen and for it to be enjoyable to watch. I can happily watch Rocket being an asshole to everyone for 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
When i said the movie needed a goal for team A i didnt say it needed to be the world ending. That just means it needs a goal. That goal can be everything. We didnt know what ego wanted for a long time. We were just sitting there getting info dump.
And yes i can happily watch a RR movie as long as there is a goal. And he had a goal in this movie. BTW, i dont remember but.... why the hell did they leave him fixing the ship alone? What was the reason?
From what i remember that just happened. Why couldn't they take him and Nebula along? Im sure Nebula wasnt going to be able to take a dude down that can take a fleet of ships alone.
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If you try hard enough you [b]will [/b]see the man behind the curtain, but do you want to?
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[QUOTE=Sighphi;2803146]I didnt make any mistakes, the main characters have little to do while the side characters are the ones that actually have a goal in the movie. I said this from the start.[/QUOTE]
Has it occured to you that you may have simply mislabeled some main characters for side characters?
[QUOTE]Im not saying this because i wanted them to have something to do and ignore the rest. Im saying this because there were large blocks where group that has the most cast members is doing little.
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There is only one group.
[QUOTE]And please, the whole marketing and info released about this movie is about SL and Ego. So on top of what i said they actually promoted this movie that way. [/QUOTE]
Being supremely spoilerphobic, I have not paid any attention to the marketing, nor have I even watched a trailer for the movie until after I saw it.
So I did not know Kurt Russel and Sylvester Stallone were even going to be in this [okay, I had heard about Kurt Russel over a year ago and had completely forgotten about it], and while I had heard Ego was going to be in it, I did not know he was going to be a big part of the story. I assumed he'd be a glorified easter egg.
But my point is that trailers lie. Marketeers lie. You should know this.
And haviçng watched the trailer afterwards on youtube... Damn, that was a terrible trailer.