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    Surtur Saga

    Surtur Saga
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    The gymnastics of it all. So now you're saying...

    The gymnastics of it all. So now you're saying Cap isn't a cheat, he just cheated..... it's like Beadle saying it was a glib statement then posting at length to debate how true the 'glib' statement...
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    Already addressed - it's less the 'steroid'...

    Already addressed - it's less the 'steroid' aspect and more the 'cheat' label. (Probably unwise to try and technically compare the SSS to real-life steroids, they are really really different, one is...
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    Sorry what I meant was could the Ebony blade mess...

    Sorry what I meant was could the Ebony blade mess with the tachyon field? Iirc it seemed to have some sort of energy absorption/redirection properties
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    Why not? He kept on trying to enlist and...

    Why not? He kept on trying to enlist and eventually made it onto an experimental program then having undergone a vigorous selection process was actually selected for his tenacity determination and...
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    The trope started for the lols, telling a...

    The trope started for the lols, telling a half-truth which is why it's funny, but years later here we are - actually arguing if Cap is an real drug cheat.
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    That is the problem, cheating at a sport is not...

    That is the problem, cheating at a sport is not at all in any way the same as being experimental being military tech. Your 'point of fact' boils down a character's entire story to being a drug...
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    It is less the steroids, and more the lump him in...

    It is less the steroids, and more the lump him in the same boat as drug cheats, is what I am getting at.
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    I mean it's such a stale trope.... is it even...

    I mean it's such a stale trope.... is it even funny anymore? I forget though how hostile this place can feel.
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    ???? (limit) Edit: I wasn't the biggest fan of...

    ???? (limit) Edit: I wasn't the biggest fan of the period of the Avengers where bomber jackets over costumes were the norm. Which is weird as I didn't mind when the X-men wore then..
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    BK fans would the Ebony blade be able to redirect...

    BK fans would the Ebony blade be able to redirect the SS's tachyon field?
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    One of Silver Samurai's first appearances has him...

    One of Silver Samurai's first appearances has him deflecting bullets with his Katana. If that's a consistent speed/reaction showing he should take a majority.
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    Oh and Kaine demolishes Lady Deathstrike. To...

    Oh and Kaine demolishes Lady Deathstrike. To fast, to strong. Lady Deathstrike always struck me as sitting at the dangerous end of the street level crowd
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    Dude volunteered for experimental drug therapy...

    Dude volunteered for experimental drug therapy and vita-rays to help him fight in a world war. If you folks want to suggest that is the same as Ben Johnson cheating for Olympic glory then hey that is...
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    Journey to Hel

    Journey to Hel
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    God Butcher

    God Butcher
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    You did not admit to any error and you literally...

    You did not admit to any error and you literally tried to game the OP's rules:



    And then you blame others who may have misread/misunderstood the OP? It's supposed to be a fun what-if thread,...
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    umm your first list purposefully ignored the OP...

    umm your first list purposefully ignored the OP rules :confused:
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    Night Thrasher - Dwayne Taylor Shuri She-Hulk...

    Night Thrasher - Dwayne Taylor
    Shuri
    She-Hulk
    Shang-Chi

    With Silver Sable as their financial backer (am not sure of Dwayne's financial situation since returning from the dead).

    They operate...
  21. I really enjoyed Under Siege and the subsequent...

    I really enjoyed Under Siege and the subsequent Assault on Olympus story arcs, they're not exactly cosmic in scale but really fun Avengers stories I also really enjoyed the Kang Dynasty and Ultron...
  22. I guess if you want to take the line that the...

    I guess if you want to take the line that the Norn was inept, fine, but his presentation does not back that up at all. He prevented two incursions, which included planet busting.
  23. I honestly don't mind when Cap fails, it's when...

    I honestly don't mind when Cap fails, it's when he's called out incorrectly that bugs me. The whole, "he sucks using items of power myth", as a Cap fan I prefer to set the record straight, as the...
  24. This wasn't a depowered Strange though, this was...

    This wasn't a depowered Strange though, this was Doctor Strange, who had sold his soul for more power, and was essentially soloing the entire Great Society. There is absolutely no shame in being...
  25. Actually after that debacle I went back and...

    Actually after that debacle I went back and reread that story - turns out the IG of the Great Society's world was also destroyed preventing an incursion. It's wielder in that instance was The Norn...
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