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The Negative Exposure miniseries was a pretty good read. There was a Year One-styled story about Otto's formative years as well at that time.

The whole point of the JMS arc was that Carlyle stole...

Was he? He starred in a ton of arcs during Spider-Man 2 the movie, even had his own miniseries then, a couple of them.

JMS & Jenkins both gave him pretty high profile arcs during their runs.
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No, he was the main villain of an anniversary issue. Just like he was in #700.



Uh--he was the leader of the Sinister Six, and got more page time than any other villain.

Just like he's...

He starred as the main villain in ASM #600.

He was the background villain during all of Big Time, running up to Ends Of The Earth, where he was the big bad.

Superior was the start of...

I think a lot of the bad patches in marriage years correlate to the writing talent they had at the time, which wasn't great.

But Millar, PAD, JMS, JMD and Sacassa amply showed that writers could...

Bor, don't speak for me here. Being sick of Otto and my "extreme dislike of the writer behind it" can be two different things.

It's akin to me saying to you spend every post you make here...

The fact that you have to make an ad-hom attack in every post says it all.

Also, it wasn't an implication, a lot of you (not all) become unreasonable, and extremely nasty, when you perceive an...

You're all over the place here man, as usual, and if there's a victim mentality, it's from certain (not all) posters here that seem to need a safe-space haven from any critical opinion that doesn't...

Because they have no value as love interests, and they highlight a feedback loop of sorts that the book is now stuck in, regarding pairing Peter up with love interests.

Pav, you seem a little more reasonable than some around here. You'll have to excuse some of us that are sick of having Otto be the de-facto deuteragonist of the Spider-Man book for well over five...

So where are Carlie, Michelle, Black Cat, Cindy Moon and Lie/an Tang now, then?

Yep--usually I don't like writer-inserted retcons, but PAD having Officer Stan Carter at the scene of Ben Parker's murder in that story I thought was a super-neat touch.

There's also a great...

FFS, just give Otto his own title already. This is beyond sad.

It'll happen. Most fans know there's no one else for Peter than Mary Jane. Everyone they've tried to pair him up since has been a complete, utter laughable failure.

The Amazing Spider-Man comics...

Ultimate Spider-Man (the book of short Spider-Man stories from 1994, not the comic) has some good stuff, including a great story by Peter David called "Five Minutes".

Daniel was presumably winkler-deviced (brainwashed) into becoming a dupe Hobgoblin by Roderick because reasons during Big Time, but we never saw it on panel or got any real explanation for it.

Don't know if I would call it my favorite run, but it's up there. I like JMS' literary style of writing. There are parts that drag, but it's certainly worth a re-read. I didn't mind "Sins Past" that...

Don't forget being able to have a pseudo-relationship with Lie/an Tang (what, we saw them together for about two whole pages total?) and pheromone dry-humping with Cindy Moon / Silk.

Yeah, even when JMS' Peter Parker was acting immature, there was a sense of the weight of his years as a superhero behind his character.

It's about time I read from "Coming Home" and onward...

I think without question, well at least for me, the 1980's is the golden sweet spot for the modern representation of the character.

But it wasn't the marriage that made these stories bad. You're conflating here.

Kavanagh--'nuff said there. Was anything he wrote good?

Last year of Michelinie: saddled with the editor's...

****, you're right, it was Garney.

I just thought that his stuff had a Weeks-like vibe to it.

I think people are misremembering this era, and blaming some particularly bad storylines on the marriage.

Up to around ASM #365, the anniversary issue, the Peter / Mary Jane / Spider-Man status...

I agree, there was plenty of bad that came out of it, but the lead up to it all was pretty well done I have to say.

I think Peter getting the Iron Spider costume felt like a true event at that...

Has anyone mentioned the actual "Road To Civil War" and the "Civil War" JMS ASM arcs themselves?

Those are actually some damn good stories, and with some great Lee Weeks art.