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  1. You're right...Wayne Enterprises isn't really...

    You're right...Wayne Enterprises isn't really mentioned in the Burton/Keaton films. Nor is there any reference made to Bruce having to go to an office or having a family company. He does seem to have...
  2. Those are interesting points, especially the...

    Those are interesting points, especially the contrast between Thomas Wayne and Robert Queen. Maybe Thomas, having felt the weight of the Wayne legacy himself and rebelled against it to an extent,...
  3. A bit off-topic, but a lot of the suggestions on...

    A bit off-topic, but a lot of the suggestions on this thread would work better for Green Arrow IMO.

    Oliver Queen has always been a lot less defined as an alter ego than Bruce Wayne has. So there's...
  4. Well, its been a great ride so far! Of course,...

    Well, its been a great ride so far!

    Of course, a lot of it was predictable, but then again, that's just a testament to the fandom's ability to predict twists accurately! Not to mention, this being...
  5. Aquaman, Shazam, WW '84 and Birds of Prey all fit...

    Aquaman, Shazam, WW '84 and Birds of Prey all fit into the DCEU. They may or may not explicitly reference previous DCEU films, but they don't go out of their way to ignore or erase anything either.
    ...
  6. This sounds like a neat idea and a way to...

    This sounds like a neat idea and a way to 'reboot' Wonder Woman.

    In fact, it would work perfectly in the context of the rumored new DC timeline. You could have a Golden Age Wonder Woman who served...
  7. They still haven't explained what the whole...

    They still haven't explained what the whole 'splitting Superman' thing was all about, and whether Oz did it or Manhattan.

    And how does it work in the context of Jor-El being Oz?

    They present Oz...
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    The bit about the tonal differences is...

    The bit about the tonal differences is fascinating. I never thought about it before, but tonally speaking, and even characterization-wise, Batman arguably went through a bigger shift Post-COIE than...
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    Agreed. Its not that Batman hasn't had aspects...

    Agreed.

    Its not that Batman hasn't had aspects of his origins retconned. Its just that those retcons have tended to prevail and have entered the popular consciousness as the definitive take on the...
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    That's interesting. As far as I'm aware, the...

    That's interesting.

    As far as I'm aware, the only significant divergences Untold Legend took with previously established continuity was Batman wearing the New Look costume in his early career, and...
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    Broadly I agree with this list. Bit of a...

    Broadly I agree with this list.

    Bit of a nitpick, but I'm not sure I'd regard DKR as a Post-Crisis Batman story.
  12. Batman arguably gained a lot from the Post-COIE...

    Batman arguably gained a lot from the Post-COIE reboot. He had the best of both worlds - the reboot allowed him to retain the vast majority of his history while tonally reinventing the character and...
  13. True. Of course the difference is that...

    True.

    Of course the difference is that Nolanverse Bruce's story was able to end, while in the comics, Batman will continue to flip between lightness and darkness, depending on the prevailing...
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    I'd quite like to know that as well. I've long...

    I'd quite like to know that as well. I've long assumed it was in Year One, but its possible that it was established earlier.

    The earliest Golden Age stories never really specified where Bruce...
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    Interestingly enough, the backstory of the...

    Interestingly enough, the backstory of the current Batwoman series has Luke Fox taking over his father's mantle as Batman's tech support.
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    You have a point. Plus, more recently, the...

    You have a point.

    Plus, more recently, the Batwoman TV show basically has Kate Kane set up shop in the penthouse era Batcave under the Wayne Enterprises building.

    I wonder if Nolan was...
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    double post
  18. Agreed. Though I don't think this 'back and...

    Agreed. Though I don't think this 'back and forth' happens all the time though. Rather, its a more gradual, cyclical process.

    Even Frank Miller envisioned his Batman as being the guy from the 60's...
  19. Yeah, people tend to forget that the Batman '66...

    Yeah, people tend to forget that the Batman '66 TV show was very accurate to the Batman comics of the 50's and early 60's...perhaps even more so than modern Batman adaptations have been to modern...
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    True. Also, people tend to forget that Bruce...

    True.

    Also, people tend to forget that Bruce was actually pretty mentally stable when he first started out as Batman - be it Year One, Zero Year or the Golden Age. Its only later in his career...
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    That was me. I was talking about the classic 70's...

    That was me. I was talking about the classic 70's story "There's No Hope in Crime Alley" in which Alfred wonders where Bruce goes off to at a certain date every year, and then reflects on how he's...
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    I like the idea of Batman being, on some level at...

    I like the idea of Batman being, on some level at least, a horror comic. In fact, the earliest Kane/Finger stories were littered with horror elements - the Mad Monk, hallucinogenic flowers, Hugo...
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    Agreed. To me it makes all the more sense that...

    Agreed. To me it makes all the more sense that Bruce would grow up to become Batman if he was raised by a man who had been a military intelligence officer.

    My preferred background for Alfred is a...
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    Other films for the 'DC Black' line?

    There are rumors now that Joker will be followed not just by a sequel, but potentially a whole line of 'DC Black' films.

    So what characters/stories do you think merit the 'Joker' treatment? As in...
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    The DKR logic more or less became canon as of...

    The DKR logic more or less became canon as of 'Tec#1000 (if it wasn't already).
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