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First, a "quick" recap of the events that have led Namor to the dark place he is now.


In Hickman's two Avengers books, there is a massive threat that's causing the accelerated collapse and...

Exactly. If anything, the other Thanoses (Thanosi?) are watching Namor and friends on some comic television as we speak.

This is a moral tale; the choices have to be hard.

Also, when Thanos is on your team, and not sitting on his hover chair, there's likely very few other beings in any universe that stand any sort...

You do know that Earth 616 isn't only Earth doing this...right?

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That was the Squadron Supreme, a Marvel creation made to look like the Justice League...in 1971. Or one incarnation of the team lol.

Anyways, what did you expect? Nobody to die in an event...

I still say that Ribic should be on this book.

Epic none the less, tho.

Well, damn.

Wow.

I gotta admit, I really enjoyed that Jason Todd origin. Not nearly as dark as I'd hoped, but very, very good. I admit, I was wrong for doubting Lobdell's Jason Todd writing skills.

Now if...

Your post contradicts itself.

Also, I guess I'd feel the same if it was the 616 Earth being destroyed, and that those doing the destroying were trying to also find a way to get to the source of...

That's the thing tho: the GS weren't trying to stop the incursion. Yes the fought the Illuminati, but if they never showed up the GS were just fine in letting their universe be destroyed.

Yes, they did....but I'm in Namor's corner, anyways.

He saved 3 universes when everyone else decided to just give up and die. Like "mewling" children.

Yup, thank goodness for that. The only reason why I read Wood's X-Men and Latour's WatXM, is because they at least acknowledge that Hellion and his friends exist. Seriously tho, QQ, Idie and Evan are...

Sun God said that they had no ideas; only "hope". He also told Batman that if nothing came to them, then they'd just have to accept their deaths.

They were going to sit back and watch two...

The thing here though is that everyone that's apart of this film is very talented (and wasn't apart of the atrocious first two movies), so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.....until I see a...

Josh Trank has said several times that the Ultimate FF is the main inspiration, so it shouldn't be a surprise; why else would they cast so young?

Also, let's just wait for the trailer that's...

You keep going to these extremes without looking at the context of those situations (even if they are written poorly, and even if you don't necessarily agree), and it's getting frustrating to read...

I agree with all of this, I'm just calling Cap a Mary Sue based off several stories that have come before (and will likely come after this) one. He's being portrayed as being wrong, and a detriment...

While this is all true, we still come back to point that Fury and the Kangs were still right; the only reason why there's still humans, an Earth, and a universe, for him to protect is because the...

Well, that's a very meta way of looking at the situation lol.

If you've read the book, then you should know that the multiverse is collapsing on itself, via the Incursions, but the process is hastened more, and more, by the blinking out of universes as a result...

Actually it was saved 3 times by the main characters of the book, and they also saved three other universes.

Saving countless trillions of lives is a lot better than rolling over, and waiting to...

"A character too perfect for their setting. Most often, this character is talented and attractive, and anyone who doesn't adore them is portrayed as mean, stupid, or evil. It's common for them to be...

Except by killing his friend, he didn't save two universes.

One sacrificing their life (and two universes) for their ideals doesn't deny the Great Destroyer, in fact it only hastens the end of...

Giving up and dying helps the Great Destroyer even more, given that one would allow two Earths, and two universes, to perish at once rather than just one Earth. Either way helps the destroyer, but...

Not really, as Reed (with the new blue FF suit) is shown to be in hiding with other member of the Illuminati in future issues of Avengers. Remember, the FF book is still 7-8 months behind the two...