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If nothing else...the art design of this film is f#cking awe-inspiring :cool:

That said, I'm certain Pheonix will deliver another Oscar-worthy performance, and Gaga will do a brilliant job...

Fascinating! Need to check this out.

Does Superman appear at all, or is this pure 100% 'street-level'?





I suppose maybe this stuff could be set in the same continuity as the DKR...

Damn, I loved that series. Probably my earliest exposure to the O5 era.

Fresh from watching X-men Evolution, the first two movies, a few episodes of the TAS, and a few sundry comics, I was shocked...

I dunno about more popular than ever. The peak of the franchise was probably the early-to-mid 2000's. The TAS was a recent memory. The original films were taking the world by storm. The comics were...

Leaving aside the many issues with taking the 'mutant metaphor' too literally as a metaphor for any particular minority group, I think the the big fallacy with this argument is an assumption that...

Yeah.

I think with regards to Krypton, there's a tendency for him to either know nothing, or to then know everything. There are very few versions where he knows very little, but gradually pieces...

Robin could have worked in the Nolanverse...and John Blake was pretty much Nolan's take on the concept. Of course Nolan simply didn't want to use Robin in his movies which is fair enough.



This...

Of course stuff by later writers has been adapted. No one's saying that adaptations have exclusively drawn from the Claremont well. Though I must point out that WATX drew heavily from Days of Future...

The fact is that movies are the God-tier of superhero adaptations, the very peak of comic-book franchises. They shape the popular perception of franchises for years, if not decades, to come. People...

Because X-men '97, and the original TAS before it, were heavily based on the Claremont era...which is also largely seen as the 'base template' of the X-men franchise.

Damn!

Never thought of it that way but...wow!

25 years...10 movies (including cameos). Averages out to one movie every 2.5 years.

Don't think there's a single other actor in a superhero...

Xavier coming across as British in the films doesn't bother me that much, especially when you consider that he studied in Cambridge as per First Class. Plus, his family is of British ancestry. But...

Well...90's X-men nostalgia mainly revolved around the TAS, which was largely based on his work from the 70's and 80's.



True.

Not just the TAS, but the movies too were heavily based on...

The uniforms, and the overall aesthetic, were definitely the one big change...and in turn went on to influence the comics as well.

That apart, the cartoon and the comics themselves were pretty...

Been rewatching a few episodes of the 90's X-men cartoon lately, in anticipation of X-men '97 (which I haven't had a chance to watch yet so...no spoilers on this thread please ;)). And I couldn't...

Never been a fan of the idea, but Frank Miller had a pretty interesting take on it.

Frank Miller's name isn't associated with the Silver Age much, but if you think about it, his work is really...

Krakoa is what happens when you take something like the mutant metaphor (which is inherently flawed for a lot of reasons I won't get into here) and apply a modicum of real-world logic to it, as...

In addition to other teams, which will be great, I'd also be really interested to see a further exploration of the pre-Night of the Sentinels history of the X-men in-universe! We got a few...

That literally was the case for the first 10-11 years of publication, until Superman # 61 in 1949, when he discovers his origins after an encounter with kryptonite.

In discussions about whether...

Yeah.

Kelsey Grammar's Beast feels like an evolution (pun intended!) of the cartoon version.

I think there are X-men characters who are popular with the general audiences (or at least known to them) which haven't really gotten the spotlight in previous cartoons.

Colossus for instance....

Okay, just to be clear, this is not an anti-X-men '97 thread at all. I'm as excited as everyone here about the impending return of the classic show and I hope it gets at least a few seasons under its...

Yeah honestly, the whole point of this show is to throwback to a bygone era of the X-men franchise.

In fact, as fascinated as I would be to see them reimagine 21st century characters and plotlines...

But that's kinda the point. The TAS was based largely on the Claremont era (albeit with the 90's lineup). Emma being an X-man, and her relationship with Cyclops, are far more 'modern' concepts.

I think part of the challenge is that Pre-Crisis you didn't have a whole lot of complex characterisation in comic-books. So if we were to contrast the personalities of Pre-Crisis Superman and...