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  1. And over 20 million people watched “Lois and...

    And over 20 million people watched “Lois and Clark” in its 3rd season. What is it you think you are proving here?

    The comics market is what it is. A comic book about Superman and Wonder Woman,...
  2. I bought Superman and WW pjs for my niece and...

    I bought Superman and WW pjs for my niece and nephew. I guess that means I want them to get married or something. LOL. Or, it means, I like Superman and Wonder Woman as concepts and thought the Pjs...
  3. I never said it didn’t have meaning. I bought my...

    I never said it didn’t have meaning. I bought my husband a Superman/Lois Lane “happy birthday Husband” birthday card from Target. It had plenty of meaning to me personally. But it has literally...
  4. So then Lois and Clark finally getting married...

    So then Lois and Clark finally getting married after decades is “stagnant?” Lois and Clark overcoming in-story infertility (keep in mind their infertility was an actual plot point on LnC and...
  5. We could get into the controversy over how WB...

    We could get into the controversy over how WB treated the Siegel family but, frankly, it’s pretty depressing and off topic. But you would be hard pressed to argue that Superman and Wonder Woman as...
  6. Cosplayers are lovely but WB does not care about...

    Cosplayers are lovely but WB does not care about how people cosplay nor does it make them revenue.

    They also don’t care about “couples merchandise.” Once they sell the license to someone, WB...
  7. Or it will repel fans of both franchises who...

    Or it will repel fans of both franchises who don’t feel, as you do, that the two franchises need to be combined to be successful and, in fact, (much like the Siegel family and the Marston family)...
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    This may come as a shock but I’m oddly zen about...

    This may come as a shock but I’m oddly zen about this. I get why people are mad about it and I don’t even disagree that it’s lazy and will ultimately just have to be reset but I just can’t find...
  9. We don’t agree on this but I do appreciate you...

    We don’t agree on this but I do appreciate you articulating your view and I definitely get your point about the changing canon. Thanks!
  10. Dismantling patriarchal norms has literally...

    Dismantling patriarchal norms has literally nothing to do with hating men and literally no one ever said that Wonder Woman hates men so it’s weird that that was your takeaway. But that’s not what...
  11. Wrong. Superman Convergence was dated April 8,...

    Wrong. Superman Convergence was dated April 8, 2015 and was announced, with a photo of Lois pregnant mind you, several months before. In the winter. Now, we can get in a he said/she said battle...
  12. He’s had one biological canon child and one...

    He’s had one biological canon child and one adopted child. Lois Lane was his wife and the child’s mother both times. Clearly different than random AU’s or one offs. That’s like saying “Superman...
  13. What are you talking about? We absolutely do...

    What are you talking about? We absolutely do know.

    Jonathan Kent was established as their son at the end of “Whatever Happened to the man of tomorrow?” —the official closing of the silver age...
  14. So women are interchangeable entities then as...

    So women are interchangeable entities then as opposed to people? Because that’s what you are saying here. Women are interchangeable in stories and switching them out like a deck of cards is...
  15. I don’t like everything Bendis does but Bendis is...

    I don’t like everything Bendis does but Bendis is generally well liked by other creators and respected as a person. Miller’s racism and misogyny has made it so associating with him now has a stigma.
  16. Literally no one here has disputed that some...

    Literally no one here has disputed that some people buy Miller. It doesn’t change that the criticism that surrounds him remains. Just as you saw people “excited” on his Instagram, the dialogue and...
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    I have no issue with rebooting Lois and Clark...

    I have no issue with rebooting Lois and Clark with younger actors but I also can’t say I agree that it’s a problem to portray Lois as a super successful 36 year old woman (as she was in Man of...
  18. I didn’t say that at all. But, yes, they can...

    I didn’t say that at all. But, yes, they can absolutely cause damage. Miles Morales is a great example of an AU that brought inclusivity to Spider-Man. That doesn’t mean that every attempt to tell...
  19. The words “bold and new” and “Frank Miller” don’t...

    The words “bold and new” and “Frank Miller” don’t ever belong in the same sentence. LOL. Let’s just hope there’s no attempted gang rape so someone can look heroic.
  20. This is a story about an alien who shoots fire...

    This is a story about an alien who shoots fire from his eyes. LOL. None of it makes sense. Wonder Woman having a child with Superman is just as ridiculous as Lois Lane having a child with him...
  21. I’m not disagreeing with you or shooting anyone. ...

    I’m not disagreeing with you or shooting anyone. Im just explaining why I think the fandom idea that an AU isn’t as big of a deal is actually a misnomer. AU’s cause a lot of damage and often canon...
  22. Lois and Clark’s son has been shown to be every...

    Lois and Clark’s son has been shown to be every bit as strong as his father is. He’s also as curious and perceptive as his mother. Please expand on what’s “bold and new” about this Jonathan Kent...
  23. Superman having a child with his wife of like two...

    Superman having a child with his wife of like two decades isn’t a drastic status quo change —it’s the natural evolution of a narrative that was too chicken to go there for far too long.

    I would...
  24. Weird as I seem to recall many people on this...

    Weird as I seem to recall many people on this exact board going on and on for the last 5 years about how Superman “shouldn’t be a father” and complaining about so much focus on him as a father and on...
  25. The criticism of Miller is both complex and valid...

    The criticism of Miller is both complex and valid and goes far beyond whatever woman he inflicts his misogyny on in whatever he’s writing at the moment. I think most people who actually like and...
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