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Why is a hypothetical situation that will never happen in the book more important than talking about the actual book?

Yes, I can, and I bet Hickman does as well.

it's really this simple. The Illuminati can find other options, they just have already decided that murder is the best one.

Hell, I already gave one....

I would figure out another way that doesn't involved mass murder.

Though chances are, this situation would never occur because I would actually be trying to find other solutions (Franklin...

Omg, this is amazing.

Cap's personality is so flawed that he won't murder billions of people. Makes sense.

So it seems like the general consensus answer is 'no.'

I still think Cyclops was right in AvX.

Considering that Marvel told him to write that story, you can't really fault Hopeless for that.

Arena didn't kill any more characters than an average Remender story.

He started threatening them with the robots before the fight started.

It certainly didn't help Stark's case that he attacked the Avengers with all the Iron Man bots.

Side note: Was this issue why Tony was so beat up in NA? Because that's hilarious.

I bet the regular person on the other Earth would like to live too.

Think of it this way, to the other Earth, the Illuminati is no different from Thanos, Ultron, ot Galactus.

Tony is a traitor.

Namor lives in the gray area. That said, Namor isn't really a 'hero,' is he?

But the question is, could they still be considered heroes? I think not.

Again, nobody is arguing that they should just let everything die.

That's true, they haven't done it yet.

It's the only option they've tried other than Cap's. They've literally tried nothing else.

Yeah, because the souls of the Illuminati are more important than the billions of lives they'll be snuffing out.

That's really the whole point of the thread. Namor, already doesn't consider himself a hero.

Avengers is about super-humans being heroes. New Avengers is about super-humans being something else.

We didn't see them try any other options. How could they be out?

Soldiers sacrifice themselves. They understand what they're doing when they put on the uniform. That's what makes it so noble, that's why they should be honored and appreciated.

The Illuminati are...

We must be reading different books, lmao.

Yeah, but they tried to stop it, remember?

It's not sacrifice when you're sacrificing others. It's just murder.