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    It's easy to be cocky when you win without taking...

    It's easy to be cocky when you win without taking a hit. My point being that he probably wouldn't have won if he had taken one.

    Again, no disrespect to MK... I'm a fan. But he's not a guy that...
  2. Honestly I think Storm being a mutant is the only...

    Honestly I think Storm being a mutant is the only reason she's not at the top of the female list.

    She had a good long run as a team leader in the X-Men, in addition to being Queen of a nation. And...
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    The problem is if Thor had gotten any shots in,...

    The problem is if Thor had gotten any shots in, Thor would have won. MK isn't in Thors league, at least in a straight fight. The only hope he had to win was to avoid taking shots from Thor.
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    I think that's what Coates tried to do in his...

    I think that's what Coates tried to do in his first season. Rather than sweeping everything under the rug, he tried making the razing of Wakanda somewhat of a big deal. Some writers care about...
  5. There are a LOT of fun things you can do with the...

    There are a LOT of fun things you can do with the door. And I imagine that's why they keep it around. But inherently, it's still silly.
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    Again, this has to be taken in the context that...

    Again, this has to be taken in the context that every other fictional nation (Atlantis, Adgard, Latveria, Attilan, etc) get the same treatment. I don't think the issue is that editors can't ask...
  7. Not necessarily . They can raise or lower the...

    Not necessarily . They can raise or lower the cage.

    My issue is nore that a door shouldn't be a viable escape option if escape is a win condition. To me thats always been silly.
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    Atlantis, Latveria, Asgard and Attilan have all...

    Atlantis, Latveria, Asgard and Attilan have all been invaded, overthrown and/or destroyed multiple times in the last couple decades. Destroying fictional kingdoms has frankly become a pre-requisite...
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    Whether or not Wakanda's unconquered SHOULD hold...

    Whether or not Wakanda's unconquered SHOULD hold honestly is up to the BP writers and editors. Marvel ultimately allowed a BP writer to make that call, as opposed to it happening in an outside book...
  10. I actually wonder if the general public in the MU...

    I actually wonder if the general public in the MU believes vampires even exist or if they're just pop culture myths. Mutants are talked about on the evening news people people know they exist.
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    Yes... whether or not Wakanda remained...

    Yes... whether or not Wakanda remained unconquered was always a choice by writers and editors. My point being, as more writers and editors are involved in telling more and more stories with Wakanda,...
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    This is easy to say in hindsight... but after the...

    This is easy to say in hindsight... but after the fact at least I don't think anyone should have necessarily expected Wakanda to never be conquered.

    If this were a japanesse manga where a single...
  13. Course, you can also argue a door on a cage...

    Course, you can also argue a door on a cage doesn't make sense if escape is a win condition.
  14. I do like the fact that you can fight at the top....

    I do like the fact that you can fight at the top. As a deisgn I'd say it's a keeper.
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    And I guess that's sort of the divide... to some...

    And I guess that's sort of the divide... to some writers there's a built in social agenda (Coates for example probably was put on the book for that very reason). But to others, they might just be...
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    In the defense of the book I don't think Moon...

    In the defense of the book I don't think Moon Knight himself overpowered Thor so much as he just had greater control over Thors hammer and THAT overpowered Thor. It might be a technicality... but we...
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    I don't think the idea is necessarily that...

    I don't think the idea is necessarily that writers aren't clever enough to never have Wakanda be conquered so much as I don't think every writer necessarily wants it to be. Some writers want to tell...
  18. I don't think the general public knows about that...

    I don't think the general public knows about that though. That was covered up. But certainly she's someone that would give everyone cause to be worried.
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    I might be remembering it wrong... but either way...

    I might be remembering it wrong... but either way I think the point is that Wakanda never had to actually defeat Thanos up to that point. When THanos was in the equation and THane and the Avengers...
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    The thing is Wakanda doesn't exist in a void......

    The thing is Wakanda doesn't exist in a void... it's a shared universe. So even if a specific BP writer decides to not have Wakanda beaten in the BP book, it doesn't mean it won't necessarily happen...
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    Thanos was in Necropolis when Thane beat him at...

    Thanos was in Necropolis when Thane beat him at the end of Infinity. And yes, they were able stop the Invasion but it was Thane that stopped Thanos himself (with the Avengers stopping the Black...
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    The second time, Thanos only lost because of...

    The second time, Thanos only lost because of Thane. Wakanda had nothing to do with his defeat. Without Thane, Thanos conquered Wakanda... and there's no shame in that as it's freaking Thanos. The guy...
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    Yeah, the fact that hes using the Mr. Night look...

    Yeah, the fact that hes using the Mr. Night look alone is a selling point for me. I wasn't sure if that would be used again. Glad it is.
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    If I had to guess I'd say they have comparable...

    If I had to guess I'd say they have comparable levels of power... but Adversary has more inherent weakness which probably make him easier to beat.

    But he is up there in power. He just doesn't get...
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    COurse, Thanos also did defeat Wakanda pretty...

    COurse, Thanos also did defeat Wakanda pretty decisively. So he shouldn't necessarily be a good guage of what Wakanda can and can't do as far as using ABC logic. He works either way.

    As for the...
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