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    I'm OK with that. What I'm saying, and what I...

    I'm OK with that.

    What I'm saying, and what I tried to clarify in the follow-up is that, to me, based on the feats at bar, Bucky and Legolas are in the same speed tier. Yes, Legolas has his blink...
  2. Eh, Battle Beast didn't really show a ton of...

    Eh, Battle Beast didn't really show a ton of speed, and Mark forgets his speed all the time. I also don't think that Mark has shown class 80 there. Mark fluctuates a lot between his "kid Gohan...
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    To add one more tiny point - in written fiction,...

    To add one more tiny point - in written fiction, we see really frequently people act doing extremely complex things so quickly that people around don't see it happen. And that's when they are just...
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    We are having a misunderstanding - I am not, in...

    We are having a misunderstanding - I am not, in any way, claiming that Bucky should get DC Batman's feats exactly. What I am saying is that having the speed to easily and consistently aim-dodge and...
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    Here is the one thing we may wind up in "agree to...

    Here is the one thing we may wind up in "agree to disagree" territory - as it doesn't really affect the fight. Things like that are explicitly things that people who trivially aim-dodge do, all the...
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    OK, going back and reading the passage from the...

    OK, going back and reading the passage from the council where Elrond describes the fall of Sauron:

    " I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and...
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    I'm not doing that intentionally - I'll address...

    I'm not doing that intentionally - I'll address individual points below.



    That, to me, isn't better than blocking automatic weapon fire at close range with an arm. It's not better than...
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    Fair enough assessment - as usual with you. :D ...

    Fair enough assessment - as usual with you. :D

    For Anduril, despite who forged it, it has no real durability feats over "steel" and has a feat for being broken. Yes, that was Sauron, but...
  9. 1) Vs Midnighter (Wildstorm) - it might take a...

    1) Vs Midnighter (Wildstorm) - it might take a while, but Battle Beast seems pretty far past Midnighter's capability to harm, given what he did to Mark. It might take him a while to hit the guy, but...
  10. Yup, "MVP 17" became quite the meme material...

    Yup, "MVP 17" became quite the meme material after the ToP. He's certainly not quite on Goku and Vegeta's level - made very clear in the Moro stuff - but he's a monster with unlimited energy and a...
  11. He could do that without even doing anything. He...

    He could do that without even doing anything. He could sit down and meditate and win the fight against literally everyone there. This isn't an exaggeration - beings much stronger than any in the...
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    I agree that giving one side ranged gear and the...

    I agree that giving one side ranged gear and the other no ranged gear makes the odds much longer (and likely impossible), but Bucky is still faster, much stronger, more skilled then any of the three...
  13. Strongest foe is hard. They would kill the hell...

    Strongest foe is hard. They would kill the hell out of most class 100s. They would... maybe run out of steam around skyfather level? They would lose to Silver Surfer due to speed issues and his...
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    Primary source is books, but it only takes 30...

    Primary source is books, but it only takes 30 seconds

    1) Aragorn vs Daredevil (S1 black costume and batons)

    I'd give the win to DD against book OR movie Aragorn. Aragorn's a good fighter......
  15. What's worse? Making Saitama miss a sale at the...

    What's worse? Making Saitama miss a sale at the supermarket, or owing Luke Cage money?
  16. For me, it's hard to say! He's never been...

    For me, it's hard to say! He's never been remotely hurt by anything. He lets himself get hit sometimes, just to see if it can hurt him, and it never does. Of course, he's got his Saitama-sense...
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    Thor makes barely a gesture and completely stops...

    Thor makes barely a gesture and completely stops a thunderstorm. Storm might be able to operate on his scale, but he is much faster with this stuff, and his scale is absolutely high enough to shut...
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    Strange's actual words are that "it's a simple...

    Strange's actual words are that "it's a simple spell but quite unbreakable." I doubt a thing qualified like that would take more than a fraction of a second.
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    Strange has a spell on the time stone that Maw...

    Strange has a spell on the time stone that Maw can't get through at all. He brags about it, despite being entrapped by Maw at that moment and incapable of doing anything. Maw physically burns...
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    I don't know that the "hide me" trick is a BFR...

    I don't know that the "hide me" trick is a BFR thing - but you are the OP, so if it's not allowed, it's not allowed.

    What about Strange doing what he did with the time stone when Maw wanted it? ...
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    For me, it was the speed it happened at - he went...

    For me, it was the speed it happened at - he went earth to moon at some large fraction of light speed, as it took a second or two max by all visible evidence. Granted, he jumped back at similar...
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    My head cannon... 108383 ...is that Saitama...

    My head cannon...

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    ...is that Saitama can actually fly just fine, he simply doesn't realize it. He has too easy a time dealing with things that are in the air or flying, plus the "come...
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    For team X - give a couple to teleporters and let...

    For team X - give a couple to teleporters and let them dodge stuff. They can benefit from the powers of the others in the gang to hang in the air reeeeeeeallly high, to act as decoys for setting up...
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    I love that scene.

    I love that scene.
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    Yeah, I've read all of the manga and the...

    Yeah, I've read all of the manga and the webcomic, and Fubuki has soem really good feats in the manga. I just don't know that I'd call it more powerful than Thor's big lightning blast (one of which...
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