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  1. Poll: She said that she loved him, not EXACTLY I love...

    She said that she loved him, not EXACTLY I love you. Still the point stands.
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    She can easily be a functioning alcoholic. There...

    She can easily be a functioning alcoholic. There are different levels of addiction.
  3. Poll: You didn't answer my question. There is no...

    You didn't answer my question.

    There is no planet where cheating is worse than assault, rape, or murder. Absolutely none.
  4. Poll: ^THIS^ I have personal experience with both...

    ^THIS^

    I have personal experience with both these things. My mom cheating on my step-mom was bad. My dad throwing my mom down a flight of stairs, and punching her til he fractured her face was...
  5. Poll: So when it's a death of Jean you like, you blame...

    So when it's a death of Jean you like, you blame editorial, but when it's a death you don't like, you blame the writer.

    Interesting.
  6. There's no way to do that, short of retconning...

    There's no way to do that, short of retconning everything away. Even then you're not going to please even the majority of fans.
  7. Hardest of hard disagrees. Every writer changes...

    Hardest of hard disagrees. Every writer changes things. Morrison's lasted because of the quality of what he changed. And because he wrote the best Scott ever, the best Jean ever, the best Charles...
  8. We wouldn't be having this conversation if...

    We wouldn't be having this conversation if Quesada had just brought her back, like Morrison intended with the Phoenix egg in Here Comes Tomorrow. Quesada declined.

    Writers kill for shock value...
  9. Poll: Clairemont killed Jean the first time. Nobody...

    Clairemont killed Jean the first time. Nobody calls Clairemont a hack or the worst writer ever. Because editorial brought her back in a fairly short time frame, after Maddie was a huge failure.
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  10. Poll: Jean said I love you several times to Logan while...

    Jean said I love you several times to Logan while married. Words are one thing. Actions are another. And every action in that run was a relationship on the verge of collapse at any given moment.
  11. They won't. No one ever will. Sorry, it's the...

    They won't. No one ever will. Sorry, it's the truth.

    There are too many unresolved issues from that run, and this is no answer that will please even HALF of the fans.
  12. It was Quesada that kept her dead. That's the...

    It was Quesada that kept her dead. That's the issue you keep missing. Nothing any writer ever writes is set in stone. Quesada could have had her come back literally as soon as Morrison left. He...
  13. Poll: Are we really going back into "cheating is worse...

    Are we really going back into "cheating is worse than murder, genocide, rape, and assault" mode?

    So you would have been okay with the Morrison run if Scott had tried to murder Jean, choked her to...
  14. They could have an entire issue where Emma is...

    They could have an entire issue where Emma is slowly devoured by cannibals and every thought bubble is just her screaming in silent agony, and I would still put the run miles above Austen.

    Your...
  15. Poll: I've read the whole run. Their relationship is...

    I've read the whole run. Their relationship is the polar opposite of "perfect". It is severely strained throughout. There's more strain in the first 20 issues than in Scott and Jean's relationship...
  16. Poll: So the end of the relationship was in Whedon's...

    So the end of the relationship was in Whedon's run? News to me. Because that's when the cracks in this "mystical perfect relationship" that never actually existed started.
  17. Poll: You managed to take four entirely different...

    You managed to take four entirely different stories, and take them all completely out on context. Bravo.

    1) You're confusing a french kiss for "making out". And since this is a showing...
  18. He was going through a divorce at the time, and...

    He was going through a divorce at the time, and soon after killed three prolific marriages, claiming the men were better off (Pym/Van Dyne, Parker/Watson, Summers/Grey).
  19. There's evidence that Joe Quesada did it out of a...

    There's evidence that Joe Quesada did it out of a personal issue, plus his ongoing issues with the institution of marriage.
  20. Poll: When did any of that happen? The very next...

    When did any of that happen?

    The very next story arc (Astonishing), Scott is telling Emma to shut up and publicly berating her. Hardly Romeo and Juliet.

    Their relationship all the way til...
  21. Poll: Exactly this. The majority of the blame lies...

    Exactly this. The majority of the blame lies with editorial, and specifically Joe Quesada.
  22. The majority of the anger lies against Morrison...

    The majority of the anger lies against Morrison for Jean's death. But last I checked, Morrison didn't run all of Marvel comics. Editorial could have brought her back at any time. They chose not...
  23. So if a woman is killed solely to give her...

    So if a woman is killed solely to give her lesbian partner pain, that isn't fridging?

    So if a man is killed solely to give his gay partner pain, that isn't fridging?
  24. If you only read the last few issues of the run,...

    If you only read the last few issues of the run, I could understand this line of thinking. But to so ignore's the rest of the run, which is the reason the run is so beloved.

    What is sad is...
  25. There's no reason fridging can't work with all...

    There's no reason fridging can't work with all genders and relationship types. It's definition isn't inherently female-to-male.
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