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    No, you make a good point. I think either side...

    No, you make a good point.

    I think either side is putting more importance on the Kents' status (dead or alive) and how much of an impact it has than it really warrants.
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    There's definitely stretches where some of them...

    There's definitely stretches where some of them can be more interesting, but it's not a constant because the other characters fall into their own ruts. Or you can find very similar characters in...
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    Ah, that's fair. Sorry, it can be hard to tell...

    Ah, that's fair. Sorry, it can be hard to tell with text. :p



    To be fair, there were likely numerous other reasons for the sale drop. I'm doubtful the Kents played much of a role in it either...
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    I brought up other points, but you disagreed....

    I brought up other points, but you disagreed. Which is fine.

    But it's not that different than saying it worked for some 90s stories over and over again. Ultimately both takes have an extended...
  5. Sticky: Source for this besides taking your feelings...

    Source for this besides taking your feelings towards the first movie and making (so far) baseless assumptions for the second one?
    Even if she wants to use practical effects as much as...
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    If he's getting help, he's not as capable of...

    If he's getting help, he's not as capable of doing it on his own.



    Sometimes, but again we have enough precedence for him having other people to turn to that it works either way and the Kents...
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    I don't have a strong opinion on the second and...

    I don't have a strong opinion on the second and third points (aside from the fact that I don't care much for Matrix or Kon so their involvement in their stories isn't a big deal to me, and Kara has...
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    And that got phased out faster than the Kents...

    And that got phased out faster than the Kents being dead.



    No argument, but I guess I still don't feel very strongly towards Martha that I'm not too bothered by her being dead along with...
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    Doesn't Jonathan save Clark in the afterlife or...

    Doesn't Jonathan save Clark in the afterlife or something?
    Wouldn't that have worked even better with him already being dead like the classic setup?

    Martha still being alive could work, but I...
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    Lara really needs to drag all of them back into...

    Lara really needs to drag all of them back into the grave with her....
  11. Sticky: Aquaman was also a "shut your brain off and enjoy...

    Aquaman was also a "shut your brain off and enjoy the spectacle" kind of movie, so of course those were the big takeaways along with Momoa's shirtless self. Similarly, Godzilla: KOTM got a lot of...
  12. What exactly is holding her back by bringing up...

    What exactly is holding her back by bringing up his probable intentions in this context?
    She can be out as a bisexual and it's not a big deal. In your own words, "it's not the 1940s anymore."


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    Classic Harley is perfection. One of the best...

    Classic Harley is perfection. One of the best designs for a character EVER.
  14. Yep, and it's pretty obvious it was what Marston...

    Yep, and it's pretty obvious it was what Marston would have gone for had he been allowed to be explicit.
  15. Her history not being honored is unfortunately...

    Her history not being honored is unfortunately not a recent problem, it pre-dates Rebirth and Johns quite a bit. And wasn't helped by the New 52 version.

    The film isn't retconning her history...
  16. Sticky: This is good to hear. "Spy romance" is kind of...

    This is good to hear.
    "Spy romance" is kind of a swerve. Maybe not totally unexpected with the "1984" stuff, but I'm curious to see how they are going to squeeze all this into that theme. I don't...
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    She's still the daughter of Zeus, she just...

    She's still the daughter of Zeus, she just doesn't get her powers from him and Hippolyta and the Amazons aren't terrible people anymore.

    Also, the broad strokes of Steve & Etta/ARGUS, and Barbara...
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    No way are they the equivalent to Alfred, who has...

    No way are they the equivalent to Alfred, who has been a near constant since his introduction. They and the Els both are equivalent to the Waynes.

    They are are naturally his first link to...
  19. Poll: I think it's the confusing last arc that drags it...

    I think it's the confusing last arc that drags it down a bit (along with the art and the New 52 costume). Morrison gets a little too self indulgent there, whereas All-Star is incredibly accessible...
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    Is the sword Cheetah is using on the cover the...

    Is the sword Cheetah is using on the cover the same one from the New 52?

    Or, consistency being what it is, does that even matter...
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    I don't know if "internal conflict" is really the...

    I don't know if "internal conflict" is really the thing we need the Kents dead for, but it does help give Clark a little more adversity for him to overcome in his path to becoming the world's...
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    Yeah, they really don't. Has Nightwing changed...

    Yeah, they really don't.
    Has Nightwing changed that much since the Dixon days? It's more like he gets thrown into different situations occasionally (Batman II, Agent 37) but that's more about seeing...
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    The loss of Krypton is a tragedy, but since he...

    The loss of Krypton is a tragedy, but since he was an infant when it exploded, he's going to be more attached to his Earth parents and life and not have a clear recollection of the species he lost....
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    I do agree somewhat with you and Sacred Knight...

    I do agree somewhat with you and Sacred Knight that the timing isn't that good in light of the criticisms this run has of her not being as powerful as she should be. The criticism are, IMO,a bit...
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    We all know the bracelets and the lasso will be...

    We all know the bracelets and the lasso will be re-forged, so I don't see what the big deal is. And there is precedent for the bracelets being breakable, and breaking them would allow the opportunity...
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