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    Agreed. Another kick in the nuts from Marvel.

    Agreed. Another kick in the nuts from Marvel.
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    I dislike it because other Marvel villains like...

    I dislike it because other Marvel villains like Magneto and Dr. Doom have been portrayed as "heroic" if not exactly heroes at multiples times over the years, to the point where you can say the...
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    Agreed. Otto was the most interesting he had...

    Agreed. Otto was the most interesting he had been in years, with real character growth. I understand the tragic ending and allowing the character to retain at least some of the experiences he had...
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    Wow, i think that hurts more than anything,...

    Wow, i think that hurts more than anything, knowing we still could have had a Superior Otto but for the whim of a writer, and not an editorial mandate.
  5. I'll bite. Tell me how Spider-man is destined to...

    I'll bite. Tell me how Spider-man is destined to become a Hellspawn. Other than McFarlane drawing them both there is nothing to tie them together. Al Simmons and Peter Parker are nothing alike. ...
  6. Of course it's a tragedy. Norman makes a lot of...

    Of course it's a tragedy. Norman makes a lot of bad decisions trying to save his company, & his family's social status. His tragedy is that he's focusing on money and power as the means to those...
  7. I think Norman could work. None of Spider-man's...

    I think Norman could work. None of Spider-man's early villains became villains because of Spider-man, they were who they were already. Their successive appearances in the comics cemented them as...
  8. He was. But the scarring was really more like...

    He was. But the scarring was really more like open wounds where you could see the muscle under the skin than actual scars.
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    Sticky: is there an appreciation thread for Doc Ock, post...

    is there an appreciation thread for Doc Ock, post superior?
  10. I actually have an image of this, I don't know...

    I actually have an image of this, I don't know how to post it here though :(
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    You mean 2100, right? I'm not sure why people in...

    You mean 2100, right? I'm not sure why people in the year 3000 would be looking back 901 years to see how how the year 3000 differed from their expectations.
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    What if he lied to Peter and remained a villain...

    What if he lied to Peter and remained a villain as Spider-man?
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    I was really hoping Otto would turn up in Slott's...

    I was really hoping Otto would turn up in Slott's FF by now, or least while he was still Superior. The interaction they did have during War of the Realms left me wanting more..
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    I remember when Doom was a real threat and just...

    I remember when Doom was a real threat and just saying his name was an oh sh!t moment. This just seems like a poor use of the character. Phil Urich Hobgoblin was scarier LOL
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    Honestly if Mephisto was restoring him...

    Honestly if Mephisto was restoring him physically, mentally, no illness, etc he should have been restored to his 60's & 70's appearance. Stocky and maybe a bit muscular (depending on the artist),...
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    He was a Thunderbolt briefly back in the day. ...

    He was a Thunderbolt briefly back in the day. Can't see him doing that again unless he was running the team.

    I could see him being the "science" guy. Would love to see a story where Otto makes...
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    What's next for Otto?

    Been trying to imagine what Otto's next step would be following SSM 12's conclusion.

    Does he "need" to be a villain? He appears to be financially sound, having had a pretty lavish lifestyle as...
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    In a way I'm surprised he took the offer to go...

    In a way I'm surprised he took the offer to go back to his "original" body considering how badly it served him after years of beatings, exposure to radiation and god knows what. At least the clone...
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    There was a certain poetry to this issue. Otto's...

    There was a certain poetry to this issue. Otto's run as Superior began in a cemetery saying goodbye to his old life, and it ends similarly. And the visual homage to Spider-man no more. If Peter...
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    Well the book does have a history of veering one...

    Well the book does have a history of veering one way when you think it's going another, so I'm hoping there's more to this than Otto just reverting to type. Kraven just got rebooted and I have no...
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    This was a quality book with real character...

    This was a quality book with real character growth. Hate to see it end, especially if it's the return to status quo it appears to be...
  22. It's a shame Otto appears to be reverting back to...

    It's a shame Otto appears to be reverting back to status quo Doc Ock, I would have liked a crossover between Superior Spider-man and Iron Man 2020 (essentially the 'superior' Iron Man).
  23. Wouldn't that be a 57 issue series since he was...

    Wouldn't that be a 57 issue series since he was bitten at 15 years old in 1962 (making him born in 1947, not 1948). I think we can skip the first 14 years, or do one "0" issue LOL
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    The seed was kind of planted in ASM # 800 after...

    The seed was kind of planted in ASM # 800 after Otto gets the free pass from Peter for saving Aunt May. I think later in that issue there was a short story showing Otto as Elliot Tolliver joining...
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    At this point he might as well go back to being...

    At this point he might as well go back to being Superior Octopus, the cat's pretty much out of the bag. Just drop the Superior and be Doctor Octopus in that Superior costume.
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