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I obviously maintain the opinion that the NTT were the peak of Titans, the classic team and the example to follow. Despite some opinions that they tried to reuse them, thats not quite true.

It was...

I say the success of NTT (which are the best and became the classic Titans) and of Wolfman and Perez era have two main reasons

1- Titans weren't anymore JL junior, weren't just few sidekicks...

Yes, but he wasn't a clear sidekick of anyone and didn't come with that baggage. He even declined at some point to join the newly formed JL and asked them to better join him in the Titans team, that...

I for one I think that the NTT are the definitive, classic and by far the most successful Titans team. The problem with the fab 5 is that they can never get out of their status of former sidekicks,...

I hope so, he is a way too big of a threat to be dismissed like that. Also I hope they can manage well the increasing number of characters and will be able to do justice to all, unlike in the first...

I really don't get what they want to do with the show. I mean they barely developed the main characters except Dick, who sort of highjacked the first season. This despite the fact it was apparently...

I still think Raven is at least a bit underrated

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The Titans live TV show, despite its flaws, was still the second most watched superhero TV series in 2018. The original cartoon from 2003 was on the 9th place iirc, 15 years later so Titans are still...

The problems with this point, as I see it from what you say, is that Titans are not elevated as JL level because they are not as popular, however they can't be as popular if they are not elevated as...

You realize I can answer you just like that, Batman always fighting Joker is a running gag and basically meant that he couldn’t be anything else, it became boring since quite a while now.
Raven...

I see I need to repeat myself, the NTT were back in the same formation only once, for just few issues, and then were broken apart again. Thats it.
There were other half-hearted couple attempts but...

Yes, the main problem in my view is that Titans have fall quite a lot as respect and importance compared with their glory days of NTT.

Even the live series recognize somehow that and have a moment...

Seriously man? A new, different Kid Flash that they tried to force into a kinda awkward relation with Raven just as she did with Wally in NTT, as a sort of connection? But much worse, a ten years old...

I wonder if they are planning this on purpose, or they simply lose tracks of some characters histories or some there are just fans of one or the other characters and want to bring them in regardless....

Well, I suppose we must agree we disagree. They are not new now, they were back then, and since Titans before them didn't worked anywhere near as good is obvious they were a huge part in their...

Yes, I already say I will like Wally to be a core memebr, just as in NTT (same with Donna), just don't know if possible and what is his status these days.

I am not against having all the Fab 5...

You may not believe it but the reality is that the previous Titans were meh at best and low enough that from what I read around here W and P were pitied by the other writers when they took over TT....

Well, yes, bringing Raven, Starfire, BB and Cyborg not just that fixed the TT but pushed them right on top, among the most successful comics of that era, in general, not just for DC. Also made the...

This is what I am saying, the NTT should just stay as they were back then, young adults, not teens, and to be independent more or less from the JL and just as capable to deal with same level of...

That was one of the mistakes. All members of the team should have stayed around the same age. The NTT should have stayied together over the time in the same way the JL have.



From little I know...

I must disagree here. The brand worked better (even if they didn't reached the original NTT era) when they did have something similar or close to NTT and when they were able to still keep a status of...

I think this is the best way to say it.

The NTT which for me are the classic team, by far the best and the most successful incarnation of the team, were started (by Raven) as a team formed to...