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You can't compare one issue to an entire run. Big fail.

Well, Namor isn't always a nice person either (he usually isn't lol).

Also, as disrespectful as Namor's head getting punted back to his body was...I don't think people realize that that's the...

He did get beat by a guy who caught an Earth-sized planet moving at 500000mph...and the word "hype" is in his name...

I'd say they were both the heroes of the story, but more so Namor, than Doom, in the end.

Well, of course they killed Namor. Namor did the thankless job, that would have him hated, and seen as a threat. He did call himself a monster.

Him dying isn't really pathetic, as much as it was...

1) Good to hear! You make me think as well, and it's kinda fun when debating with someone who doesn't agree.

2) That's fair, but I still think it's too early. I don't think I'm far off to say that...

Oh yeah, still, neither Doom, or Namor, are the real culprits.

That would be the Beyonders. If Doom does nothing, then all the multiverse dies at once, while Namor's actions bought everyone time...

Yes "a guy like that". A guy with the blood of several billions on his hands.

Also, Democrats didn't vote for the Cabal to do what they did...world leaders took a democratic approach lol. There's...

It looks like some people remember, and others don't. I'm pretty Sure Doom remembers, but Stark and Strange don't, which it why they're goatee bros.

Culprit? Doom didn't mean to start the incursions, while Namor knew what he was going to be doing.

Tho, based off the mission statment, the SS should [try to] kill Doom, but they wouldn't know...

Ignore this post lol, as I just saw that Abe responded already.

True, one can always listen to it's reception and get the trade.

I guess that's a better way of saying it. I'm coming from a guy expecting some Hickman like stuff, when I shouldn't have lol. Still, yeah, Robinson isn't very good a first issues. Like I always say,...

1) That goes out the window, as Marvel had the stupid 8 month skip, and that makes it look like Namor went right to business as usual. Honestly, we don't even know how Namor was before this issue....

Good to see a major leading Namor fan saying this.

The only problem with this issue is the writing.

Any Dark Reign II will be headed by Marvel's Batman and Superman, not Osborne, or Red Skull.

Basically, an Injustice/Justice Lords scenario.

This is the kind of response I expected from you from the jump. I'm more optimistic than you regarding the SS, but, this is basically my line of thinking. I'm giving in till the end of the first...

1) It can't be done. Bringing them back to life doesn't change the fact that he murdered them all, and would do it again, if need be.

2) Well, I see this a chance to retell some of that history in...

I think this is the case for these character, but everything Namor and Bp did while written by Hickman was in character, and they were part of good plots.

1) Yeah, that's not really fair. You can't just any beginning product on the first issue, let alone a panel.

2) Hyperion is very likely disillusioned, which wouldn't be unsurprising seeing as he...

Because he's already been one of the biggest players in how we have a ANAD Marvel...and that still doesn't clean of the blood of millions.

How does one realistically come back/redeem themselves...

It's the first issue, and it was a come buy this issue issue. You can't judge the entire run on this. The premise is till the most interesting of the major Marvel books (imo), so I'll give Robinson...

That'd be understandable...if Spider-Gwen and Spidey weren't both on-goings right now, and featuring high school Spider people...before Miles' Spider-Man solo.

So what you meant to say was...
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Yeah, this is why I say this should've been given to an Ellis, Remender, Gaiman or Rucka. Robinson isn't good at doing this kind of story.

I love how this is talked about, as if Marvel/Disney has the rights to the F4 now.