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    I know this is pointless, but for whoever might...

    I know this is pointless, but for whoever might be reading this who doesn't know those stories:

    1) Claremont started with this stuff that sometimes telepaths just can't help picking thoughts or...
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    Anyway, guys. Thanks for the messages. I do...

    Anyway, guys. Thanks for the messages. I do appreciate the content and the time you guys spent on it.

    But I'm done here. Really. Logging off.

    Have fun. o/
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    No, he wasn't. And I think it's human that he...

    No, he wasn't. And I think it's human that he made a mistake. I'm not judging him or trying to throw him under the bus.

    You see? I don't *want* characters to be perfect.
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    Uncanny X-Men #309. That's a telepath being...

    Uncanny X-Men #309. That's a telepath being emotional and abusing their power as consequence.

    *That* is something I could totally see teen Jean, being emotional and inexperienced, doing. Heck,...
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    Because that's how the scene was written. Does it...

    Because that's how the scene was written. Does it seem to you like it's something she did that before she could think better and immediately regretted?

    Let me try to point you out to a scene in...
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    Mercury, you don't need to convince me she was...

    Mercury, you don't need to convince me she was under a lot of stress. I've never contested it...
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    Sorry about the bad timing. I wrote that post...

    Sorry about the bad timing.

    I wrote that post before I read your apology. It's annoying, but it happens, unfortunately.



    I'm not disregarding it. I even mentioned that if she had acted on...
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    Mercury, I'm sorry if it came across that way....

    Mercury, I'm sorry if it came across that way. It's just my opinion on why I can't see that character as Jean. But I'm not upset you do. I don't think you're less of a fan. It's fine.

    I said many...
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    Jean didn't do what she did to Warren because of...

    Jean didn't do what she did to Warren because of her impulsivity. That would be an in-character mistake that I could understand under the circumstances.

    But she acted in cold blood. She didn't...
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    Look, you're allowed to have your opinion of the...

    Look, you're allowed to have your opinion of the run. But, please, don't assume you know what I think or expect. We are different people. And it's just very annoying.



    I'm not disregarding what...
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    Being under a huge amount of stress doesn't...

    Being under a huge amount of stress doesn't re-write your personality. Jean is caring and selfless. She was neither in that scene.

    Her friend was having an emotional breakdown and she decided to...
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    And that is, fundamentally, what I'm trying to...

    And that is, fundamentally, what I'm trying to say here. In my opinion, Whenever a writer writes Jean as being okay with "the ends justify the means", they're writing her OOC.

    She is *not* okay...
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    It was a selfish act exactly because Warren...

    It was a selfish act exactly because Warren didn't want to stay and he was *clearly* having an emotional breakdown because of it.

    Did it give her any pause to even consider if they should stay...
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    Lorna's case might have been best intentions....

    Lorna's case might have been best intentions. This case was simply selfish, Mercury.

    She wanted to stay. She forced Warren out of an emotional breakdown so he'd stay.

    And that's a dear friend...
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    Which is my favourite example of how OOC Bendis...

    Which is my favourite example of how OOC Bendis wrote her because... "Time travel, learning about one's life/death, trauma... I get to write her however I want".

    It is still OOC.
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    Thanks for your input, guys. But I don't want to...

    Thanks for your input, guys. But I don't want to extend myself here and end up being accused of bringing negativity to the thread. So I'll just shut up because I think I said what I had to say on the...
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    There is a difference between saying to a friend:...

    There is a difference between saying to a friend: "Stop second-guessing yourself. Don't you actually want it? Go for it!"

    That is the friendly push sometimes is very welcome and makes us take...
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    Maybe she would step down. We just don't know....

    Maybe she would step down. We just don't know. And that *is* the whole problem.

    Like I said, it may have been a good thing for Lorna, but Jean's MO was never the "ends justify the means". That's...
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    Again... not trying to annoy you, okay? Just...

    Again... not trying to annoy you, okay? Just understand each other.

    Do you see that sometimes people aren't "honest" because they can't? Because they're not ready and they have other issues to...
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    Serious question. Not trying to be challenging or...

    Serious question. Not trying to be challenging or anything.

    You have no problem with Jean (or any telepath) forcing Lorna (or anyone) to be honest?
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    But when the writer breaks the characters'...

    But when the writer breaks the characters' internal logic, he’s *actually* just using the “circumstances” to justify writing them whatever way he pleases.



    Even so. Boundaries are boundaries....
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    All the O5 had been written as teenagers decades...

    All the O5 had been written as teenagers decades before. Bendis didn't have to imagine what they were like. He *chose* to disregard previous, canonical portrayals of them because... I don't know....
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    He has written her like this and it made me...

    He has written her like this and it made me really worried before. That's why.

    Another one who wrote her like that? Bendis. Which is one of the reasons I hate this O5 depictions.

    Honeymoon is...
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    Ugh... Can someone, please, tell Duggan Jean Grey...

    Ugh... Can someone, please, tell Duggan Jean Grey is *not* Emma Frost?
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    Astonishing X-Men 14, Whedon's run. EDITED:...

    Astonishing X-Men 14, Whedon's run.

    EDITED: That's not Jean.
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