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  1. I think I'll have to sign off for a while because...

    I think I'll have to sign off for a while because being a Wanda fan is depressing to me again. I felt a little better about her future after how popular she became after WandaVision ended, but...
  2. This argument is pointless. Wanda isn't in any...

    This argument is pointless. Wanda isn't in any comics and hasn't been, except cameos, for two years. When someone starts using her again, then we can argue about whether that's good or bad for her,...
  3. Reading between the lines, it seems like he...

    Reading between the lines, it seems like he wanted to do more to address Magneto and Wanda's reaction to the "Pretender" thing and it got shot down in favor of this story. I wonder how many pitches...
  4. No, it wasn't part of the X-line, and yes, Emily...

    No, it wasn't part of the X-line, and yes, Emily Shaw, who worked in Paniccia's office was the editor for most of the series.

    Paniccia always got the stuff that some other editor had given up,...
  5. Avengers didn't give her a solo, though. James...

    Avengers didn't give her a solo, though. James Robinson found out the Avengers office had no plans to give her a solo despite her introduction into the MCU, so the solo wound up being edited out of...
  6. I think even that is the fault of the Avengers...

    I think even that is the fault of the Avengers office, though. House of M was from the Avengers writer and the Avengers editor; they did "no more mutants" on the order of Quesada, but they were the...
  7. I think Wanda should be a mutant (she doesn't...

    I think Wanda should be a mutant (she doesn't need to be resurrected, just say she and Pietro were always mutants, High Evolutionary lied, whatever). I don't think her lack of success in recent...
  8. The "they'll never know what you sacrificed for...

    The "they'll never know what you sacrificed for them" was a bad line, but it's pretty clear what Monica is trying to say. She wants more than anything to bring her mom back. Wanda actually got Vision...
  9. Okay, I think we should all stop replying to...

    Okay, I think we should all stop replying to Spiderfan001. It's one thing to argue that MCU Wanda is a villain (everyone is free to interpret it the way they want) but they're trying to antagonize...
  10. Yes, but that argument works better outside of an...

    Yes, but that argument works better outside of an appreciation thread, where posters are very defensive about the character, especially a character like Wanda whose future in the MCU and comics are...
  11. Respectfully, Spiderfan001, but do you think we...

    Respectfully, Spiderfan001, but do you think we could end this argument now? I'm not saying you're wrong in your opinion of MCU Wanda, but this is an appreciation thread and they usually don't have...
  12. I thought nothing could be more depressing than...

    I thought nothing could be more depressing than discussing what Wanda might do in the next movie, but I forgot that nothing is more depressing than arguing about what she did or didn't do in her...
  13. It kind of does actually. The movie doesn't show...

    It kind of does actually. The movie doesn't show what she did to the Hulk, whether she intended to set him loose, and no one has ever mentioned it again except for the one exchange where Banner acts...
  14. Well, in real life, maybe, but in superhero...

    Well, in real life, maybe, but in superhero movies, villains are a bit more over-the-top and haven't been misled into doing what they did. E.g. Thanos is more nuanced than in the comics, but he still...
  15. Without getting into arguments about MCU Wanda, I...

    Without getting into arguments about MCU Wanda, I think it's fine for her to "pay" for the things she's done, and I wish the end of "WandaVision" had shown her being sorry for what she did (well, she...
  16. No, it doesn't make sense to me either that she...

    No, it doesn't make sense to me either that she would be the big bad of the film, I just don't want to get my hopes up for seeing her get better, because I got my hopes up that WandaVision would have...
  17. Exactly, the fear isn't that she wants to take...

    Exactly, the fear isn't that she wants to take over the world or kill people, but that she'll do "anything" to get her kids back, just like she was willing to do bad things to keep her little bubble...
  18. As if things weren't depressing enough, I'm...

    As if things weren't depressing enough, I'm seeing the "Wanda is a villain in Doctor Strange 2" rumors picking up steam again (no, I won't link, but I saw it in one site that got something else...
  19. Joss Whedon has said that the Wasp was in his...

    Joss Whedon has said that the Wasp was in his first draft of the Avengers script, and she's been seen in early concept art. I don't know which Wasp, but there's not much doubt that the delays on the...
  20. Blech. If this is leading up to a storyline for...

    Blech. If this is leading up to a storyline for Ewing then Wanda could be dead for a while as characters like Billy react to her death, even though she hasn't been in comics to talk to them for...
  21. I do wish they could have gotten Aaron...

    I do wish they could have gotten Aaron Taylor-Johnson to come back for the flashback scene. Then they'd have had Wanda and Pietro undergoing the experiments together and that would explain either...
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    Speaking of Onslaught, those who want to read up...

    Speaking of Onslaught, those who want to read up on the idea of Magneto as Wanda's abuser should look at Avengers #401 by Mark Waid and Mike DeoDato, which was a crossover with Onslaught (which Waid...
  23. Maybe this is because I don't want it to happen,...

    Maybe this is because I don't want it to happen, but I don't think they're hinting at Wanda being a mutant at all.

    She was portrayed sort of as a mutant in Civil War, with her power being defined...
  24. I'm just going to look for clues about whether...

    I'm just going to look for clues about whether she gets anything after this story or just stays dead. I don't expect the story to have anything to do with her until maybe the last issue.

    If she...
  25. Thread: Eras of the F4

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    The first two Heroes Return volumes have all of...

    The first two Heroes Return volumes have all of Claremont's run; I think the third volume picks up with a fill-in story written by John Francis Moore, and then to the run which Carlos Pacheco...
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