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    Did we agree? If not, what part of what I said...

    Did we agree? If not, what part of what I said disagreed with you?
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    Hm. Quibbles remain. Get right down to it,...

    Hm. Quibbles remain.

    Get right down to it, Superman was less The First Superhero than The Bridge Between The Pulp Hero And The Superhero. Compare his first half dozen stories with those of The...
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    Lee's Nu52 costume was not only a good idea, it...

    Lee's Nu52 costume was not only a good idea, it was a better idea that didn't go far enough.

    Leaving aside the visual debate about the value of the red undies, I really liked the notion that...
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    Superman was published before Marvel (then,...

    Superman was published before Marvel (then, Timely)'s properties. Not before Dr. Occult, nor before The Crimson Avenger (both DC properties, even before their binge buy of other publishers).
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  5. I'm gonna say, probably not. If DC didn't go...

    I'm gonna say, probably not.

    If DC didn't go All In back in 2015 (the team's Platinum Jubilee), I wouldn't count on it now. There are too few hardcore fans for WB to bet on.

    I offer one...
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    I'd say continuity also matters when it genuinely...

    I'd say continuity also matters when it genuinely changes a status quo. The Green Goblin is probably a good example.

    He began as a shadowy mystery antagonist for Spider-Man. He transitioned to a...
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    Like I said, it depends on what one decides is...

    Like I said, it depends on what one decides is "official." I opt for The Sub-Mariner as Marvel's first, others would disagree and say There Is No Marvel First (as The Human Torch published at the...
  8. This is correct. Further, for now, Image is not...

    This is correct. Further, for now, Image is not beholden to an executive management trying to guess what institutional investors want. Worse, DC is owned by a company owned by a company trying to...
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    Technically (per the Late, Great Don Markham),...

    Technically (per the Late, Great Don Markham), The Sub-Mariner debuted in a promotional give away issue predating Marvel Comics #1. I guess it depends on whether you want to go by publication date,...
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    So, we just burned about five pages arguing a...

    So, we just burned about five pages arguing a point that essentially boiled down to "that's different from what I perceived happening in the story before the series, isn't the way I wanted the story...
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    There's some quibble room in this. In comics,...

    There's some quibble room in this. In comics, Submariner was the first at Marvel, and Dr. Occult at DC (true, Dr. Occult wasn't exactly what we now think of as a superhero but, arguably, neither was...
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    In agreement with you, not in contention with...

    In agreement with you, not in contention with you. Should have included the other quote too.
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    True, but movements (for good or bad) begin with...

    True, but movements (for good or bad) begin with the people they've got, not the icons they'd like. Made it feel a little more genuine to me.
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    Eh. That's near impossible to measure. You are...

    Eh. That's near impossible to measure. You are welcome to see the such. Which was kind of the point of this whole thread. :)
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    This raises a really good point. Has anybody done...

    This raises a really good point. Has anybody done a contrast between Doom's calculation error and Mr. Fantastic's?
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    Got it. You didn't like it. Go in peace.

    Got it. You didn't like it. Go in peace.
  17. I like all that you say, but I'd keep to his...

    I like all that you say, but I'd keep to his original origin: a desperado's kid adopted by a space criminal that killed his father over some loot and adopted the boy, who would eventually grow up to...
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    I think you can see how I interpreted you as...

    I think you can see how I interpreted you as saying that..
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    Yes, I agree Doom is tragic, but I have a few...

    Yes, I agree Doom is tragic, but I have a few quibbles and questions.

    I just reread FF Annual 2, which gave Doom's origin story. It had his mother "slain" by the Latverian aristocrats, but didn't...
  20. Am I remembering right that each of the Losers...

    Am I remembering right that each of the Losers had an individual feature (except Gunner & Sarge, who were always a package deal) that was discontinued before the Losers rolled out? If so, had there...
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    Seriously? The Leader? A Janitor that gets...

    Seriously?
    The Leader? A Janitor that gets gammaed into Uber Genius, surfacing all the worst parts of himself?
    The Lizard? A guy who just wants his arm back?
    Two-Face? A relentless prosecutor...
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    There's a bit of a wrong turn in that need to...

    There's a bit of a wrong turn in that need to start with the beginning that both of the Big Two made starting in the 1980s (it seems to me). Up to that point, there'd been some editorial paradigms...
  23. Looking through the postings, I find I most like...

    Looking through the postings, I find I most like the illustrations of Z that convey fun-loving or playful qualities of the character.
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    Well, there was that thing where Dr. Doom was...

    Well, there was that thing where Dr. Doom was mainly hunted because he was running a series of scams on the aristocrats he (justly) blamed for his father's death, including one that made a dude go...
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    Particularly the Timm-DCAU version of him. Not...

    Particularly the Timm-DCAU version of him. Not evil, just sad, and hopelessly unable to understand the world in which he was born.
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