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  1. Hercules oneshot koed Superman. Superman killed...

    Hercules oneshot koed Superman. Superman killed him by a sneak attack after Shazam had already beaten him.
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  2. No, she had him beaten and he actually threatened...

    No, she had him beaten and he actually threatened to kill her before that.

    https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/wonder-woman-beats-superman-injustice-gods-among-us-4.jpg ...
  3. No, Diana had him helpless before Sinestro bailed...

    No, Diana had him helpless before Sinestro bailed him out. Just like Hercules knocked him out before Shazam beat Hercules. Season 4 Superman was a joke.
  4. To be fair most of it comes from season 4 onwards...

    To be fair most of it comes from season 4 onwards where the new writer made Superman lose every fight he was in and tried to make a point of it. He wasn't such a jobber under Taylor.
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    Good to hear

    Good to hear
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    It was pretty much lampshaded in Rock of Ages. ...

    It was pretty much lampshaded in Rock of Ages.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1S46ZAyWgsJAmKZuAlF0XUvegeOv7tSpLYA_2Y6BRxSvIP7a4P5AYcgSq2G45n0-r2gJ5N_ngbVG=s1600
  7. For all my gripe with new 52, it gave Superman...

    For all my gripe with new 52, it gave Superman his swagger back. His confidence, his conviction and the fact that he was a champion of the oppressed once more (At least by Morrison). And it has...
  8. Pretty sure, he was able to fly fast but not...

    Pretty sure, he was able to fly fast but not Flash type superspeed. Ostrander even alludes it in his run when he says he isn't as fast as Superman or Flash.
  9. Before Grant Morrison's JLA, J'onn wasn't at...

    Before Grant Morrison's JLA, J'onn wasn't at Superman's level of strength and never had superspeed like Superman or Flash. Grant changed Martian powerset and it stuck.
  10. Yeah, Xanshi has stuck to John unlike every other...

    Yeah, Xanshi has stuck to John unlike every other hero messed up plot, for last thirty years.
  11. I love how Bruce is more hurt about Clark voting...

    I love how Bruce is more hurt about Clark voting him out than other leaguers not trusting him lol.
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    TBH, pretty standard for Ollie, he IS a drama...

    TBH, pretty standard for Ollie, he IS a drama queen.
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    Poll: My ranking Richard Dragon Lady Shiva Bronze...

    My ranking

    Richard Dragon
    Lady Shiva
    Bronze Tiger
    Bruce Wayne (when he isn't jobbing to put Cassandra over)
    Cassandra Cain
    Dick Grayson
    David Caine
    Deathstroke
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    Superman traveled in time before Flash even...

    Superman traveled in time before Flash even existed and did it for 50 years.
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    Johns made both incompetents like GLs protecting...

    Johns made both incompetents like GLs protecting her from a blast by Superman.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/6Hx5dHi3kzrl3LTqfPZFJrXPRiIM5h2RPfji8BknD7ZTt2-BfFTBqh0Vwh310FgLhAzZlVPjj_s=s1600
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    But it's not infinite speed under Waid, its...

    But it's not infinite speed under Waid, its infinite energy and just going above lightspeed would put the speedsters to risk losing themselves in the speed force. Its the latter writers who confused...
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    Funnily enough nobody argues that Jay Garrick has...

    Funnily enough nobody argues that Jay Garrick has to be faster than Superman as he is the archetype if we consider that argument.
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    Waid himself never wrote Flash to be that fast...

    Waid himself never wrote Flash to be that fast that Superman couldn't touch him, speed force was just a plot device to explain the inconsistent nature of Flash's speed.
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    That's all part of golden age and before Jay...

    That's all part of golden age and before Jay moved at lightspeed or Barry was even an idea.

    That was the point. Superman did these things before Flash did, that was the reason he is the archetype...
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    There are dozens of scenes like this in golden...

    There are dozens of scenes like this in golden age.

    https://imgur.com/a/VyeHp
    https://imgur.com/a/1pzZ3
    https://imgur.com/a/GcLlF
    https://imgur.com/a/nLUi2
    https://imgur.com/a/gzQfF...
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    Sure, whatever you like.

    Sure, whatever you like.
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    You mean like the thing Superman did before Barry...

    You mean like the thing Superman did before Barry Allen existed and before Jay Garrick pulled such feats?
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    Fan theories are just that, fan theories. Your...

    Fan theories are just that, fan theories. Your opinion that the printed word is wrong is nonsensical, this isn't a battle board.

    Yeah right, because Action Comics 5 is invalidated because you...
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    The company and Snyder himself said that the...

    The company and Snyder himself said that the Snyder Cut isn't canon. What fans think is irrelevant.

    But it should be when both were rivals for almost 30 years without any impact on Flash's...
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    Which Flash story needs him to be faster than...

    Which Flash story needs him to be faster than Superman?
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