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    You are far too emotional about this. I...

    You are far too emotional about this.

    I couldn't care less about people cheering for villains. Want to see Doom spanking the Fantastic Four because you find them lame and thinks that Doom is...
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    If they were in the minority, I wouldn't have...

    If they were in the minority, I wouldn't have made this thread.

    Show a page of Doom killing or hurting a person. 9 out of 10 fans will argue that Doom is right and his victims deserve what is...
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    That seems ridiculous. Someone can only be a...

    That seems ridiculous. Someone can only be a fascist if they declare themselves to be? A dictator could follow the fascist manual to its minimal details, and yet still avoid the label simply by...
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    This is what I meant when I said that some Marvel...

    This is what I meant when I said that some Marvel fans are far too into totalitarian warlords. You grow up reading that the only good Earths are those under a totalitarian regime, and this is the...
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    True. But not calling fascists what they are is...

    True. But not calling fascists what they are is dangerous, too.

    Which boxes must a totalitarian warlord dictator check before we can call him a fascist?
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    So Punisher, Batman and whatever vigilants are...

    So Punisher, Batman and whatever vigilants are fascist for that, but the character that does all those things, on top of rulling a totalitarian regime that regularly kills dissidents is merely a...
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    A rose is a rose by any other name. You may...

    A rose is a rose by any other name.

    You may call it however you like. Feudal Socialism, Modern Aristocracy, Sci-Fi Principality, it doesn't really matter. It is fascism. Doom fits the definition...
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    But I am not the one equating the French...

    But I am not the one equating the French Revolution to a fight for fascism. That was Marvel.

    Why do it? I suppose for the same reason they wrote that, in all the Multiverse, the only good Earths...
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    I think that the combination of fascist trends...

    I think that the combination of fascist trends that make it look dangerous is already there at play.

    No one held Marvel writers at gun point to write that the only good Marvel Earths in yhe whole...
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    Imagine how conflicted she felt. The dictator she...

    Imagine how conflicted she felt. The dictator she loves vs her then husband.
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    An evil dictator that heroes trust to educate...

    An evil dictator that heroes trust to educate their children, an evil dictator that heroines can't help but fall in love with, an evil dictator that is canonically the only person in all realities...
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    Was it "shown" ehy he was wrong, or the heroes...

    Was it "shown" ehy he was wrong, or the heroes just beat him up?

    You also ignore that heroes such as Thor, Beast and the X-Men were Hydra's allies during their fascist takeover.

    And you also...
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    I know of no person that openly worships fascist...

    I know of no person that openly worships fascist dictators that aren't fascist themselves.

    Nadia Pym is so self-righteous that she changed her name to Nadia Van Dyne when she learned that Hank Pym...
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    I don't think that. If I were a Marvel writer, I...

    I don't think that. If I were a Marvel writer, I wouldn't make all their smartest scientists worship a fascist dictator the way they do nowadays.

    I don't know why Marvel believed that having a...
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    So Doctor Doom isn't a fascist, he is just a...

    So Doctor Doom isn't a fascist, he is just a totalitarian ruler that does exactly what fascist rulers do?

    That is a way to cope, I guess



    This is bizarre. This is like saying that Darkseid...
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    Don't ask for evidence of this or that if you...

    Don't ask for evidence of this or that if you plan on ignoring it, then. What is your deal?



    You really want to die on this hill?

    Doom is a dictator. Doom rules a totalitarian regime. Doom...
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    Aren't you moving your goalposts a little too...

    Aren't you moving your goalposts a little too fast?

    First you say that the dictator of a totalitarian regime Doctor Doom couldn't possibly be fascist because he never called for genocides. When...
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    The "Storm" of your avatar once fell in love with...

    The "Storm" of your avatar once fell in love with Doctor Doom.

    You think Storm would fall in love for a villain? And why would Marvel heroes such as Nadia Pym admire villains so much?


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    From comic books and personal experience. ...

    From comic books and personal experience.

    There's really no disputing the fact that Reed Richards trusted the education of his daughter to a fascist dictator, or that Nadia Pym worships a fascist...
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    Marvel Comics and Fascism

    I see a fascist subtext in Marvel stories for some time now, and I believe it bleeds into readers.

    The list of "smartest characters in the Marvel universe" is lead by 3 characters in particular...
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