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    if you compare to independent books only sold in...

    if you compare to independent books only sold in comic shops though - all that happened is that DC and Marvel entered the shops and adjusted the price of their books to that of independent books...
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    Have to admit im not convinced there is a plan...

    Have to admit im not convinced there is a plan here at all.

    Its a relaunch based on what seems to be a totally different aborted relaunch repackaged as elseworlds style books and a ton of batman....
  3. I'd say loads of books got hype in 90s - image,...

    I'd say loads of books got hype in 90s - image, valiant, x-men relaunch, spiderman relaunch - these were books with big build ups in the press and in mainstream media.

    but i'd say there are two...
  4. Hard Travellin Heroes was just cool as f. Is...

    Hard Travellin Heroes was just cool as f.

    Is it clunky to read now? sure

    But its a real rock and roll book - kicked the doors down. It's the spirit of that book I love - its just full of heart.
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    Criminal by Brubaker is really good - big fan of...

    Criminal by Brubaker is really good - big fan of that book
    Sword Daughter by Brian Wood was cool but seems to have disappeared
    The ever overlords Hernandez Brothers with new Love and rockets (but...
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    1. cerebus 2. walking dead 3. conan 4. lone...

    1. cerebus
    2. walking dead
    3. conan
    4. lone wolf and cub
    5. usagi
    6. hate
    7. the spirit
    8. giant days
    9. stray bullets
    10 gi joe
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    oh for credits - i meant the old USA style...

    oh for credits - i meant the old USA style sweatshop studios where artists and assistants often wouldnt be credited - i dont know if manga assistants get credited. Even some of stan lee's ff scripts...
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    Yeah - churning out pages at a rate of knots - no...

    Yeah - churning out pages at a rate of knots - no credits given to people etc.

    People day oh we should have manga style collections with say 200 pages for $10 or whatever a manga can cost these...
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    Manga heads can correct me here but isnt Manga...

    Manga heads can correct me here but isnt Manga produced like the old sweatshop studios in USA in the 50s?

    I'm sure I saw a small documentary about it when Manga first started appearing in Europe...
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    Theres loads of non super hero books on the list.

    Theres loads of non super hero books on the list.
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    That wasnt the solution tho - that was a stopgap...

    That wasnt the solution tho - that was a stopgap while they tried to work out what to do with the whole company.

    And the two big options were just to.license things to marvel or do crisis. Opted...
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    I think what sets last decade apart is that weve...

    I think what sets last decade apart is that weve seen essentially 3 implosions. Nu52 and its collapse. Rebirth slow release of titles until they started adding more and more imprints (gaimanverse,...
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    They cant afford the people who had the long runs...

    They cant afford the people who had the long runs today with other characters. If youre thinking someones going to magucally appear with 50 issues of son of arak or something... its not happening...
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    I dont believe they are closing but they look in...

    I dont believe they are closing but they look in a world of trouble to me.

    3 reboots and a rebrand in 10 years and a line that keeps shrinking. Nothing they have tried with main line has worked at...
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    Well it can get very messy in the library system...

    Well it can get very messy in the library system having some books on the shelves as these cases from the conic book legal defense fund files show

    http://cbldf.org/banned-comic/

    Things can...
  16. the one im referring to was before the one...

    the one im referring to was before the one skyvolts referring to
  17. That wasnt the speculator bubble i was referring...

    That wasnt the speculator bubble i was referring to but yes there was also a 90s indie superhero bubble too with image/valiant/etc.

    Marvel and image especially benefited from 80s indie tactics and...
  18. Then you dont know your history.

    Then you dont know your history.
  19. The direct market was way more powerful before dc...

    The direct market was way more powerful before dc or marvel even entered it. Books were more expensive, sales were big, and there had been huge speculator bubble while dc and marvel were stuck on...
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    ahh my mistake it was a vertigo book - it was...

    ahh my mistake it was a vertigo book - it was last relaunch of vertigo before the closed it and launched black label
    ...
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    Not that I know anything but Im assuming theyd...

    Not that I know anything but Im assuming theyd have been commissioned under didio too

    It just seems madness to me not to have new books listed when black label was doing very good business

    I...
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    This was a book announced under didio though. ...

    This was a book announced under didio though.

    There doesnt seem any new books announced?
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    i know this will already have been asked and...

    i know this will already have been asked and answered but is black label done for?
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    Digital / the shops / the industry / etc etc. ...

    Digital / the shops / the industry / etc etc.

    The fundamental problem for me is that the books are just bland disposable pulp. They didnt used to be. But now they are. Its play safe, try and copy...
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    That all looks a fat lot of nothing. They are...

    That all looks a fat lot of nothing.

    They are properly f'ed
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