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    Weisman has always maintained that Wally is his...

    Weisman has always maintained that Wally is his favorite speedster so I doubt any of it was intentional.

    I just think he was too close to what was supposed to be going on to objectively view how...
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    That's the most frustrating part because they...

    That's the most frustrating part because they wouldn't have had to change much to pull it off.

    He had an ample amount of screen-time in the first season for them to establish his heroic outlook as...
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    I do want to point out I do think YJ!Wally was a...

    I do want to point out I do think YJ!Wally was a really good dude.

    He was probably the best 'friend' of the bunch to the point I often wondered why he hung around these people a lot. His...
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    Something like that. He's frequently...

    Something like that.

    He's frequently mentioned Wally's humanity and heroic outlook was the "strength" of the character. But for me, it's hard to buy considering the show had him do things like...
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    The difference is both Baron and Messner-Loebs...

    The difference is both Baron and Messner-Loebs acknowledged Wally was a jerk during those runs. Weisman consistently dismisses any such claims about their version of the character. My criticism...
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    But expecting it to make sense within the...

    But expecting it to make sense within the adaptation isn't that outrageous, is it? The retirement would have been fine if the story supported it.



    I don't really recall the likes of Waid and...
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    Probably the same reason they killed him off the...

    Probably the same reason they killed him off the way they did: to exploit his popularity for cheap reactions.

    The funny thing is it all came across as disingenuous because none of those...
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    I always saw him refusing to get involved during...

    I always saw him refusing to get involved during the invasion in the same vein as him prioritizing impressing M'gann over finding Kent Nelson and viewing delivering the heart as not being a real...
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    You're making the assumption that saving people...

    You're making the assumption that saving people was a big deal for YJ!Wally when that really wasn't the case.

    Their take on Wally is that he was a good person who was primarily motivated to do...
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    The issue is Weisman's version wasn't built to...

    The issue is Weisman's version wasn't built to retire as the big takeaway from "Coldhearted" was that he matured and would be a better hero going forward. But instead they had him retire to focus on...
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    Jai actually loved being a superhero and used all...

    Jai actually loved being a superhero and used all his free time training to the point it concerned Wally a bit. I assume the whole thought process behind him becoming the new Turtle Pre-Flashpoint...
  12. If I remember right, that was in the second...

    If I remember right, that was in the second annual which also dealt with Barry telling Iris about Wally's "death" in Heroes in Crisis.
  13. I think it depends on what we're basing it on. ...

    I think it depends on what we're basing it on.

    During Flash War, we had the flashback of Wally beating Barry back while he was still Kid Flash. I don't think Bart/Wallace would be put on that...
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    I think they both had a 'confessional' panel in...

    I think they both had a 'confessional' panel in Heroes in Crisis if that counts? That series seems to have some continuity issues, but it's part of the main universe.
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    Actually, I think he did?...

    Actually, I think he did?



    Now whether there's any truth in that (or what that exactly means) is another discussion.
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    I believe the last twelve issues of Johns' run...

    I believe the last twelve issues of Johns' run averaged selling around 47k and was top 35-ish on the charts. The book wasn't really struggling at the time the decision to switch Wally out. Would that...
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    Which was the result of editorial wanting to...

    Which was the result of editorial wanting to bring Barry back.

    Wally never gets kicked out if that desire didn't exist. But instead of swapping Wally out for Barry like they initially wanted,...
  18. Except nobody in this thread has made that...

    Except nobody in this thread has made that argument so far?

    Saying Wally was easier to revamp based on what DC wanted isn't saying they couldn't have revamped Barry. It would have just been a...
  19. Except there is a huge difference between...

    Except there is a huge difference between radically changing a character who has had their own book for years versus a relatively minor character who mostly appeared in a team book as a bit player....
  20. But if you're going to turn Barry into a...

    But if you're going to turn Barry into a radically different character, then what's the problem with replacing him?

    It's far easier to sell "this isn't your previous Flash title" with a new lead...
  21. Well, there wasn't much difference between Barry...

    Well, there wasn't much difference between Barry and Wally character-wise at that point.

    The difference is Barry was the face of the Flash book for decades and that perception would carry over...
  22. I mean, there was a push from people like Wolfman...

    I mean, there was a push from people like Wolfman to make a new character named McKenzie Ryan(?) the new Flash. But based on interviews and such, they went with Wally because a) he was a name readers...
  23. It's from an interview in the Flash Companion...

    It's from an interview in the Flash Companion book.



    Now this isn't Wolfman saying he agreed with that perspective about The Trial of The Flash. Just how he believes it was received by...
  24. Except the idea that "Barry is boring" existed...

    Except the idea that "Barry is boring" existed before Wally became the Flash. There are certainly some Wally fans who hold and push that idea, but the idea existed long before then. Even Wolfman, who...
  25. It actually predates Wally becoming the Flash as...

    It actually predates Wally becoming the Flash as Marv Wolfman has said one of the reasons Barry was chosen to die was because those in charge considered him dull.
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