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    Your "proof" for the Hulk holding back was not...

    Your "proof" for the Hulk holding back was not using all the tricks he could have. Neither did Jane. That's not "false equivalency", that's, you have one standard for one character, and a second, or,...
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    So, by that logic, how much was Jane Thor holding...

    So, by that logic, how much was Jane Thor holding back on the Hulk?
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    Should I say that Jane Thor was using kid gloves...

    Should I say that Jane Thor was using kid gloves on the Hulk for not making any particular use of the speed she had shown, or various other abilities she'd used?
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    You seem very intent on needing this showing to...

    You seem very intent on needing this showing to be one of Jen being beneath a guy she visibly hurt and that he had to get her to drop her guard to send flying in.
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    He punched her a country mile, I find that...

    He punched her a country mile, I find that sketchy. You can say that, but that's not how the context of it came off.



    That trick doesn't always work in the grand history of drainings, and...
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    Your initial note was to suggest she was well...

    Your initial note was to suggest she was well beneath him in capacity. The fight basically portrayed them around each other.
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    I dunno, it did happen to Trash Thor.

    I dunno, it did happen to Trash Thor.
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    You're underselling her performance by a lot....

    You're underselling her performance by a lot. "Her best haymaker" is at the same time an exaggeration. It was a punch as she was landing from the sky. Said punch sent the guy sprawling, he looked...
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    Doomsday thrashing Diana would kind of depend on...

    Doomsday thrashing Diana would kind of depend on which Doomsday, and beyond that gets into the weeds of things like Diana's superspeed to Doomsday's comparative not, the things that have managed to...
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    Considering I'm the guy arguing no to saying...

    Considering I'm the guy arguing no to saying Thanos' telepathy is anywhere Xavier scale, where did you get generously? Also, I referred to Thanos' capacity for walking through mindblasts and the like...
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    Once again, that last thing isn't relevant on the...

    Once again, that last thing isn't relevant on the level of psychic assault, and that second thing is Moondragon having to work as part of a group. I know you're responding to "has never not laughed...
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    Well for a few reasons. One of them being that...

    Well for a few reasons.

    One of them being that Thanos' resistances/will have various other showings that put them on that high end sort of scale, one of them even involves her working as a group...
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    Look, you're kind of clicking into my problem...

    Look, you're kind of clicking into my problem again with the last statement once more. There's "doesn't feel wildly out of MMH's league" and there's "totally outperforms him".
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    I also noted that even within that, characters...

    I also noted that even within that, characters can have some junk that goes too far, like, to pick an example for a different character that has come up in this thread, that Thanos and Galactus...
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    Not really, when it takes it that far and the...

    Not really, when it takes it that far and the circumstances are things like "technology from ridiculously into the future", that doesn't translate well into extrapolating anything to the current era....
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    Each of those times require specific...

    Each of those times require specific circumstances is all the same the thing. That's not his baseline or anywhere near it in those continuities.



    Okay, the problem with this again, you...
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    Okay, that's again the only thing I'm saying. You...

    Okay, that's again the only thing I'm saying. You seem to feel like I'm advocating for some different standard of measuring them that would default exempt Braniac's showings when the post I said that...
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    In how many of those appearances do you think...

    In how many of those appearances do you think Thanos did anything in terms of an actual performance is my point there. Braniac, as someone's regular rogues gallery person, by contrast to fewer...
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    Just on this, it's not like his series really...

    Just on this, it's not like his series really ever run that long. Him and Braniac certainly probably don't have that big a gap between them, relatively speaking, for "times they actually did...
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    That's one step closer to Denny's pal ;p

    That's one step closer to Denny's pal ;p
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    Like Doomsday Clock is taking the scene at the...

    Like Doomsday Clock is taking the scene at the end of The Warriors where Luther is whining "no... no.. it wasn't us.. it was them.. the Warriors!" and writing a 12 issue miniseries ;p

    *plays In...
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    Which is something of a mess, that take, but...

    Which is something of a mess, that take, but that's what you get when you try to blame all your terrible writing and editorial decisions no one liked on Alan Moore having somehow mind controlled you...
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    This again ties back into something. So who...

    This again ties back into something. So who overall is generally the better telepath? Braniac or J'onn? If the answer is J'onn, then a comparative showing like this where Braniac considerably...
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    That didn't actually put him back in 1939 though,...

    That didn't actually put him back in 1939 though, would be my note. Like that part of the timeline still basically doesn't exist for Superman. Like the Golden Age stuff seems to have specifically not...
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    I wouldn't really see the beatdown the Surfer put...

    I wouldn't really see the beatdown the Surfer put on Bill as something NuSupes couldn't have also done.
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