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    He's still got powers far beyond any human. ...

    He's still got powers far beyond any human.




    The generation that grew up with boy scout Superman is, what, like in their 30s? That's...not old. That's the generation that is buying movie...
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    No, I read it. Really didn't like it. Not just...

    No, I read it. Really didn't like it. Not just because of the characterization of Superman but also because Morrison tends to go off the rails in his more modern stories and sometimes it feels like...
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    You really, really miss the point of Superman....

    You really, really miss the point of Superman. And honestly, I can't take anything that argues that Superman is some tool of the status quo when:

    1) his main nemesis is a corrupt businessman and...
  4. I literally just gave you two specific examples....

    I literally just gave you two specific examples. You're just choosing to ignore them...



    Terra died betraying the team. So, obviously that plays into the impact of her return. Jean Loring...
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    Except the way he goes about it would qualify him...

    Except the way he goes about it would qualify him as a sociopath with no cognizance of the repercussions of his actions.



    Actually, Johns tends to have a good grasp on Superman as a character...
  6. I mean, did you read Blackest Night. If you want...

    I mean, did you read Blackest Night. If you want to know whether or not the manner in which these characters died was important, the answer is: yes. For example, when Ray Palmer fought the Black...
  7. Except it was. A lot of those dead characters...

    Except it was. A lot of those dead characters actually played pivotal roles in the story. For example, Black Lantern Ronnie Raymond was a prominent part of the event. And how do we explain Ronnie...
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    I'd say overly angsty is anyone who is looking...

    I'd say overly angsty is anyone who is looking for an excuse to fight with the world. That is something New 52 Supes did multiple times.



    It was mostly the fact that he just overly aggressive...
  9. Blackest Night and Brightest Day relied on...

    Blackest Night and Brightest Day relied on countless stories in order to explain all of the resurrected heroes. After all, you can't resurrect someone unless they've died already.

    Final Crisis...
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    Of course people are hankering for a modern take,...

    Of course people are hankering for a modern take, but that doesn't mean changing fundamental and core aspects of the character to suit that. Again, the MCU did not change Steve Rogers to make his...
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    I honestly think you're attacking the wrong...

    I honestly think you're attacking the wrong things. The 80s Byrne relaunch and the Reeve interpretation are not the things that bog down Superman. In fact, I'd say that the memory of the Reeve...
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    You do realize you could say the exact same thing...

    You do realize you could say the exact same thing about Captain America, right? And yet, people love him. I also don't see a lot of people who just downright don't like Superman. Apathetic? Maybe....
  13. I'd argue that most of DC's great stories rely on...

    I'd argue that most of DC's great stories rely on some form of continuity. That's just how a shared universe works. Aside from that though, I'd be on board with a more skeletal, broad strokes...
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    As said, it depends on jurisdiction, but in most...

    As said, it depends on jurisdiction, but in most cases it doesn't. I think it'd be a hard sell for a prosecutor to push the death sentence for involuntary manslaughter.
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    I'm definitely into this! I love Simonson's...

    I'm definitely into this! I love Simonson's Thor!!!
  16. To answer the OP's question, I guess they...

    To answer the OP's question, I guess they could...if they stuck to things/events that are so fundamental that they're basically iconic to the DCU:

    - death of the Waynes and Batman: Year One
    - the...
  17. So, Is Wally West's time as Flash...back in canon??

    I was gonna put this in the discussion thread for the issue itself but felt it was a big enough side-issue, it deserves its own thread. So, in Flash Forward #1, Wally talks a lot about how he put a...
  18. Except, that’s the thing: it DOES make sense at...

    Except, that’s the thing: it DOES make sense at Marvel. That’s one of the things Marvel touts and that the readers enjoy. And that’s not to say they don’t retcon things, because they do, but those...
  19. Whether or not its your cup of tea, the fact that...

    Whether or not its your cup of tea, the fact that Marvel hasn't rebooted while DC has in the past is one of the most cited reasons I hear people give for why they prefer Marvel to DC. I'd actually...
  20. I mean, both Hal and Barry came back while he was...

    I mean, both Hal and Barry came back while he was still in charge. He only left in 2009.
  21. You've basically summed up my feelings on this. I...

    You've basically summed up my feelings on this. I feel like DC had a good handle on things BEFORE the New 52, but since then they've completely lost it. And a lot of their universe loses that special...
  22. Agreed on the Jor-El stuff, not so much on the...

    Agreed on the Jor-El stuff, not so much on the Jon stuff.
  23. I think it would require the current guard at DC...

    I think it would require the current guard at DC to leave first. Who knows when that will happen. Though, the fact that DC keeps slipping in sales and losing more ground to Marvel should be a wake-up...
  24. Jurgens would probably (and rightfullly) be...

    Jurgens would probably (and rightfullly) be pissed at what's been done with Jor El here. That reveal kind of came out of nowhere and it wastes all the potential of having Jor El around in the...
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    I think its more about the state of DC Comics at...

    I think its more about the state of DC Comics at the moment. If there was ever a sign that there needed to be a change of leadership, this would be it!
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