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    To get this back on topic, I don't think Diana...

    To get this back on topic, I don't think Diana needs to have any specific flaws but she doesn't have to be perfect. Basically, what mistakes or trespasses she makes depends on the story and how it is...
  2. Does Cass even have a secret identity any more? I...

    Does Cass even have a secret identity any more? I feel like I've seen her without a mask more than I've seen her with one since her return.
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    There seems to be a division between how "fun"...

    There seems to be a division between how "fun" the story is vs how well written it is. On one hand you will have fans who seem to be able to forgive anything so long as Diana fits their subjective...
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    This conversation makes me think there is some...

    This conversation makes me think there is some kind of "quality vs quantity" type of thing going on when it comes to discussion of Diana's characterization.
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    I'm also "reflexively defensive" of Perez, Rucka,...

    I'm also "reflexively defensive" of Perez, Rucka, Jiminez, plenty of stuff from before the New 52, the Bat-Family, most of the DCEU actually, including stuff that isn't directed by Snyder.
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    If you're looking for an origin to make the...

    If you're looking for an origin to make the character interesting, then you're doing it wrong. As John Venus said, an origin is simply a jumping off point. It is not the same thing as...
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    I really think your view of Perez's Diana is...

    I really think your view of Perez's Diana is extremely inaccurate. Diana expressed that she didn't take joy in hurting others but to call it "evangelical shame" is a great exaggeration. She wasn't...
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    Perez's Diana was shown to take joy in several...

    Perez's Diana was shown to take joy in several things one of them being flying. She also wasn't a slave to the gods the way you are describing her.
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    Most of this stuff was either done by Perez or...

    Most of this stuff was either done by Perez or set up by him. About the only thing you can credit him for is her being a danger junkie which is neither inherently interesting nor does it make her...
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    The funny thing, it that this sounds an awful lot...

    The funny thing, it that this sounds an awful lot like what a lot of Marston fans think Diana should be like.
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    Neither was Perez's.

    Neither was Perez's.
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    Dejection isn't and should not be portrayed as a...

    Dejection isn't and should not be portrayed as a sin.

    I don't think Diana being depressed is working against the character because there isn't anything about her character that makes it impossible.
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    Rucka and Simone built on what Perez did and I...

    Rucka and Simone built on what Perez did and I see nothing complex about Messner-Loebs's version. Or any character in that book that he wrote. Even Artemis, the character he is known for creating,...
  14. And? "This character did not solve the...

    And?




    "This character did not solve the plot immediately" is not the same as acting stupid.



    It didn't happen because Superman isn't a psychopath who kills at first provocation. If...
  15. I'd argue the hatred for Tony in regards to his...

    I'd argue the hatred for Tony in regards to his being wealthy is more extreme than Bruce. I've even seen some fans list Bruce as a "woke" alternative to Tony.
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    It isn't like she only stayed on the island her...

    It isn't like she only stayed on the island her entire life.


    Seems to me like Perez and Jiminez just realized Diana isn't a one-dimensional person with a singular mode and experiences a variety...
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    Also, a lot of people are far too uncritical of...

    Also, a lot of people are far too uncritical of Marston to the point they think anything done with Wonder Woman that wasn't originated by him should be tossed out. Marston might have been progressive...
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    In BvS, Clark is on the opposite side of Bruce...

    In BvS, Clark is on the opposite side of Bruce because Bruce is the one acting evil not Clark. That leaves only the JL movie where he is briefly brainwashed. For most of the DCEU, Clark is...
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    Honest question. are you trying to say we should...

    Honest question. are you trying to say we should never portray Diana as depressed? Because that sounds unnecessarily limiting?
  20. Doesn't seem like Snyder or Goyer is clueless...

    Doesn't seem like Snyder or Goyer is clueless here. They at least remembered what happened earlier in the film.
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    David S. Goyer did an interview with The...

    David S. Goyer did an interview with The Hollywood Reporter and MoS came up:



    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/david-s-goyer-interview-1234983774/
  22. That one isn't a mainstream idea.

    That one isn't a mainstream idea.
  23. Okay, fair points.

    Okay, fair points.
  24. Poll: "City of Fire", a Luke Cage miniseries by Ho Che...

    "City of Fire", a Luke Cage miniseries by Ho Che Anderson, is coming out this October.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/luke-cage-city-of-fire-1-preview-covers/
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    "City of Fire", a Luke Cage miniseries by Ho Che...

    "City of Fire", a Luke Cage miniseries by Ho Che Anderson, is coming out this October.

    https://www.gamesradar.com/luke-cage-city-of-fire-1-preview-covers/
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