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I don't have a pr4oblem with his abilities, but he should be classified as a metahuman.

The problem is Val's abilities are ridiculous for a non-metahuman. Of all non-superpowered heroes listed here so far, his abilities are the most flat-out impossible. IMO, he shouldn't be listed with...

In fiction, there are no absolutes. The laws of physics and even common sense can be broken with impunity. Comics may be the greatest perpetuator of this, which means, as comic book fans, we all...

Well, Cass or Shiva wouldn't be able to beat a top-tier male fighter in reality, so don't begrudge Bruce's polymathic abilities. ;)

Ah! I misread that, probably because the idea that Batman is far below those two is kind of bizarre.

That's the way to approach it: what is the net sales for the advertising? DC could have spent as much on promotion as they did with the Bats/Cats one, but does anybody really believe the return would...

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Guys, I'm watching you. ;)

Nope. Top-tier detective, escape artist, fighter, strategist, brain... he's a master of a variety of things. Now whether or not anybody could be as skilled in so many pursuits, well, as has been...

Nah. Mountain is a zero on the fighter scale, while Babs is at least good (though not nearly as good as Cass or Shiva).

That's my favorite Shadow series, FWIW.

The argument is that Batman gets the top talent, but haven't the most popular characters been the recipient of that on average since the beginning of comics?

I recall Batman and Dragon fighting to a draw pre-COIE, FWIW.

I always assume Batman is going to win 9 out of 10 times against anyone based on his popularity, anyway.

Since I haven't had a fight since Grease was the word myself, same here. :p

Yes, a skilled and in-shape woman could do a lot of damage to an untrained man, regardless of his size. I wouldn't want to tangle with one, that's for sure. :eek:

But can you think of any real-world examples of that, Frontier? If there is one, then I'll change my opinion.

I actually consider them secret metahumans and just move on from there. :)

True, but that can also be said of the male characters in the DCU.

It's not a sexist attitude, either. As pointed out yesterday, a featherweight boxer, however skilled he is, would have zip/zero/nada chance against a heavyweight (and a featherweight is still bigger...

Okay, but would you bet big money on that happening? ;)

Exactly. The smaller fighter might be the best pound-for-pound, but he would be destroyed in the ring against a heavyweight.

Then you think the top female fighter today could beat the best male, Frontier?

Right, but the skill level differential between the top fighters for both genders is going to be a lot smaller than the advantage in physical strength a man has. Seriously, would anybody bet against...

No, it's a fair point and I doubt anybody can name a woman in reality who could best a top male fighter.

I felt the same way, Jim, when I first saw him on the back cover of Dandelion Wine (my first Bradbury novel) back in the '70s. BTW, I have all the ones you mentioned, except S is for Space (though I...