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  1. Golden age must have been incredible with just...

    Golden age must have been incredible with just sheer amount of readers. Even with all the films and computer games I find that's not unusual when talking to someone who likes the games or movies and...
  2. I agree if you do it per capita but just on raw...

    I agree if you do it per capita but just on raw sales 80s and 90s easily matches golden age if not surpasses it.

    X-men will have been doing about 20 million a year after the relaunch. Mcfarlanes...
  3. I don't know. That period between late 80s and...

    I don't know. That period between late 80s and early 90s must come pretty close to golden age.

    8 million for xmen followed by monthly sales well over a million.

    2 million for spiderman followed...
  4. I do think FF got itself into a few inescapable...

    I do think FF got itself into a few inescapable cul de sacs that spoilt the spirit of the book as time went on so the idea of getting back to basics with terrifics was a very good concept - it might...
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    Yes I'd like to see that + confused's wish for...

    Yes I'd like to see that + confused's wish for fantasy.

    The main line for me is completely screwed in a never ending cycle of origin stories and "universe" stories and aimless moving of pieces on...
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    the life model decoy clone cyborg of Uncle Ben...

    the life model decoy clone cyborg of Uncle Ben has been hiding on Earth 37 creating a terrordome in which everyone finds themself for reasons that dont concern you in a battle royale
  7. someone always recommends camelot 3000 and then i...

    someone always recommends camelot 3000 and then i always forget to check it - def a cult following for this book.

    Mine are - swamp thing - alan moore, doom patrol - morrison, shade - milligan,...
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    Way's run was very frustrating as I liked the new...

    Way's run was very frustrating as I liked the new characters, liked the art, the junk food story was interesting idea, but after first few issues, the scripts just werent tight at all. - Things...
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    I think Pollock + Mckeever's effort is genuinely...

    I think Pollock + Mckeever's effort is genuinely weird - one of the oddest most incomprehensible books I have ever read. Just following it panel to panel is hard. Remarkably unusual
  10. I dont think you're a troll! I think it was...

    I dont think you're a troll!

    I think it was Neal Adams that said art in books today across the board is generally the best its ever been and I think thats true - ive seen a good number of rough...
  11. It's hard to define it for me; ie what precisely...

    It's hard to define it for me; ie what precisely was so different. I'd say check out something like Fabulous Freak Brothers, Eightball, Cages, Frank, Love and Rockets, and Cerebus as some examples i...
  12. I do indeed. But again the new independent stuff...

    I do indeed. But again the new independent stuff is very different from the older independent stuff - in general the shelves are a lot tamer and more safe than in 80s and early 90s.

    Lot of genres...
  13. Yes I wouldn't say better - people will decide...

    Yes I wouldn't say better - people will decide for themselves what is enjoyable for them. I would say some of the past output was very different though.
  14. Well no they wont be doing anything different now...

    Well no they wont be doing anything different now as opposed to be previously if you define DC's output as only being "traditional books". That was the point of what they did for a period of time -...
  15. Doom patrol - Morriston Shade - milligan The...

    Doom patrol - Morriston
    Shade - milligan
    The filth- Morriston
    Invisibles- Morriston
    Swampthing- Moore
    Ms Tree - Collins
    Northlanders- Wood
    Hitman - Ennis
    Preacher- ennis
    Extremist -...
  16. Sounds to me like Yr reading the wrong books from...

    Sounds to me like Yr reading the wrong books from previous decades to reach that conclusion
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    I'm confused. You use an external website to...

    I'm confused. You use an external website to check the sales figures for your own book? Don't dc give you them?
  18. Dial h bring a Karen berger book And Morrison...

    Dial h bring a Karen berger book

    And Morrison being a Karen berger recruit.

    Dial h was a nice book but its not going to be remembered as a classic because it was rushed to completion before...
  19. the greg rucka run looked cool - havent read it...

    the greg rucka run looked cool - havent read it but it certainly looked very stylish
  20. that conveniently ignores all the elseworlds,...

    that conveniently ignores all the elseworlds, vertigo, and out of continuity books that sold huge amounts pre nu52.

    older readers were far more progressive and far more willing to support...
  21. I only read side books and never events but the...

    I only read side books and never events but the take away message from this discussion for me is that people have ended up with totally different interpretations of what they are actually reading and...
  22. As I understand it they hit the reset button with...

    As I understand it they hit the reset button with nu52 to create a jumping on point for new readers then just kept pressing the button again and again until we've ended up with something even more...
  23. I must admit I preferred the pre vertigo stuff...

    I must admit I preferred the pre vertigo stuff but that might just be because my favourite runs were in that time frame.

    It made more sense for the original works like fables dmz etc to be on...
  24. There would def have been a hellboy without...

    There would def have been a hellboy without vertigo simply because Mike mignola did a proto version as a back up of Ted mckeevers metropol for epic at marvel.

    I wouldn't say vertigo was "new"...
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    i would say that in that ultra sweet spot of dc...

    i would say that in that ultra sweet spot of dc in mid 80s to 2000ish there was often a great balance where creatives would do work on ips and their own stuff too. animal man + invisibles, swampthing...
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