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    At this stage, it'd be hard for me -- of all...

    At this stage, it'd be hard for me -- of all people -- to make a fuss about that, lol!!!



    That's fair, certainly his conduct in that situation isn't clear.

    Either way, the system is filled...
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    You calling Toberoff "a crook" and me asking you...

    You calling Toberoff "a crook" and me asking you to clarify what your basis is, isn't any kind of challenge.



    I obviously don't know you outside CBR Community Forum. I feel it's best to...
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    Riesman's biography of Lee goes into this. But...

    Riesman's biography of Lee goes into this. But Lee never earned himself "profits" (in the sense of a cut on Spider-Man merchandise daily sales, he absolutely never got that). Nor was Lee becoming...
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    The nearest thing to gospel truth in comics is...

    The nearest thing to gospel truth in comics is this utterance by one of the great prophets:
    "Kid, comics will break your heart."
    -- Jack Kirby.



    It's not "one could argue", that is the...
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    I am sorry we disagree on this. I do think fans...

    I am sorry we disagree on this. I do think fans of characters or IP need to question their identification and liking for a franchise. That's not saying anyone needs to burn their comics collection or...
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    There are many ways to respond to this, but first...

    There are many ways to respond to this, but first and foremost let me say that if the Marvel Shared Universe requires the ongoing exploitation and IP theft, then it probably shouldn't exist, yes.***...
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    Back in Black is uncontroversial. It's generally...

    Back in Black is uncontroversial. It's generally seen as a great story and the true end of JMS' run.

    The others, well you've certainly made yourself at home in this thread.
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    Well Marvel owns the Black Costume, they own Ben...

    Well Marvel owns the Black Costume, they own Ben Reilly. You're a fan of Ben Reilly, so you come out happy either way at the end of this.

    Ben Reilly is a tricky character because Gerry Conway...
  9. Ultimately the people who knew Steve Ditko best...

    Ultimately the people who knew Steve Ditko best are his family, i.e. the Ditko Estate. Nobody else is in a position to claim "Ditko wouldn't have wanted this". His family knew the real guy, the one...
  10. The fact is Marvel comics are strictly...

    The fact is Marvel comics are strictly serialized, stemming from AF#15 and editorially multiple writers, editors, EIC have all claimed that they are honoring "Stan and Steve" and base themselves on...
  11. Obviously they filed these notices with the...

    Obviously they filed these notices with the knowledge of how Marvel would react, right? One can presume the lawyers representing the Estates knew this would happen.
  12. That's because it turns out that the Ditko Estate...

    That's because it turns out that the Ditko Estate was one of many copyright termination notices filed. Larry Leiber, Gene Colan's Estate, Black Widow's creator have all filed termination notices.
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    That upcoming movie probably did play some part...

    That upcoming movie probably did play some part in the timing of this, yeah.

    It puts public pressure and media embarrassment on Disney/Marvel.
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    Since Sony made the deal with Marvel/Disney on...

    Since Sony made the deal with Marvel/Disney on the understanding the latter were rights-holders, it would be a matter of renegotiating with the Ditko estate, and there are legal remedies that provide...
  15. It's a counter-suit and a typical legal response....

    It's a counter-suit and a typical legal response. Absolutely to be expected.



    The comics business was fundamentally exploitative and based on contracts that contravened laws and legal...
  16. Nobody knew Ditko better than his family. Either...

    Nobody knew Ditko better than his family. Either case it’s moot.
  17. Well I guess you don’t believe in conpensating...

    Well I guess you don’t believe in conpensating family of people who suffered historical injustices because after all the bad stuff wasn’t done to them personally, right?

    Sheesh
  18. Well the justice system isn’t going to be swayed...

    Well the justice system isn’t going to be swayed by “fans” either way. For good and for bad.
  19. Fans have been corrupted what else can one say.

    Fans have been corrupted what else can one say.
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    This is typical and expected. It’s how the...

    This is typical and expected. It’s how the lawyers most likely expected it to go.
  21. In what sense? Is it trending? The latter would...

    In what sense? Is it trending? The latter would be good.
  22. Seems many others are filing notices too: Larry...

    Seems many others are filing notices too: Larry Leiber, Gene Colan’s estate. This isn’t just Ditko’s family.
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    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/busines...

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/marvel-suing-avengers-copyright-termination-1235020110/

    It seems a number of families have filed termination notices including Larry...
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    Mary Jane is from the Ditko run and introduced as...

    Mary Jane is from the Ditko run and introduced as the girl Peter should marry. So all that is set up there. She can’t look like Romita but then neither does Zendaya so you might have to reimagine her...
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    There’s no ethical consumption in capitalism.

    There’s no ethical consumption in capitalism.
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