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    Pretty much agree with Siriel. Beerus in Super...

    Pretty much agree with Siriel. Beerus in Super should be able to outlast him, though I think he might be sweating a bit at the start, assuming that Broly is starting out at Super Saiyan here.
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    Okay so they've got some way of making neural...

    Okay so they've got some way of making neural pathways form better, that's fine. That shouldn't really have anything to do with gene-modding though. I'm just gonna tell myself he had a...
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    I mean I'm pretty sure you can beat Bashir with a...

    I mean I'm pretty sure you can beat Bashir with a baseball bat
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    Only if the shield has feats for blocking...

    Only if the shield has feats for blocking thoughts, or at least something truly immaterial is what I'd say to that. An energy shield that stops lasers or some other kind of "blast" is still...
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    Yeah, I'm talking about specifically if the TK is...

    Yeah, I'm talking about specifically if the TK is being presented as being able to grab things without showing any visible transmission of force between the TK-user and the target. "Bolts" would...
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    I'd say it comes down to feats. In the absence...

    I'd say it comes down to feats. In the absence of feats on either side, I'd say if the TK is presented as just being able to grab things, that a shield with no anti-TK feats probably can't stop it. ...
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    Okay, I know it's fiction, but this killing me...

    Okay, I know it's fiction, but this killing me with how little sense it makes. Genes... don't.... do that. At all. Unless it's something totally unrelated like that he had some genetic condition...
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    Notably, IF Bashir's genetic tampering actually...

    Notably, IF Bashir's genetic tampering actually made him considerably smarter (and TBH, I feel DS9 does not adequately establish that it did), then his brain must be structurally pretty different...
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    Style is never stupid as long as it's good style.

    Style is never stupid as long as it's good style.
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    Just reading the wiki article on Carrie, she...

    Just reading the wiki article on Carrie, she seems pretty strong. I think I'd take that, rather than some nebulous ability to score well on IQ tests.

    Pretty good range and able to cause heart...
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    Yeah this. So ignoring the IQ thing, well Bashir...

    Yeah this. So ignoring the IQ thing, well Bashir seems to be really really effortlessly good at math, but that's about it, really. Rather, he's good at other stuff too, but we're more aware that...
  12. There's a ton of reasons suggested for why...

    There's a ton of reasons suggested for why sapiens were more successful (insofar as that's even a tangible thing). Personally, I think a lot of it is comparative individual weakness motivating...
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    Mmmmmaybe? I don't feel too good about extending...

    Mmmmmaybe? I don't feel too good about extending Shouto's AoE stuff too him, since they're not technically the same quirk, and we know Shouto's dual nature is giving him some ability to offset the...
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    He had an extended fight with a pretty high end...

    He had an extended fight with a pretty high end Noumu, but otherwise I think a lot of his stuff has been offscreen. Has he done much AoE? I can't recall; in the Noumu fight, most of his attacks...
  15. Oh yeah, I don't really see them taking anything...

    Oh yeah, I don't really see them taking anything less than 7/10 even if they're especially dumb. Orangutans are scary, but they're not quite the kind of animal that's gonna be super dangerous to...
  16. Depends how they fight, really. If they're in...

    Depends how they fight, really. If they're in any way cautious, I think they could take it uninjured, but we have no particularly good basis for understanding how a group of neanderthals would have...
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    Didn't he have ALL the Valkyries when he did...

    Didn't he have ALL the Valkyries when he did that? I kind of got the impression that they held her off while he pulled a dimension dump or something.
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    I'm not really sure how to demonstrate either way...

    I'm not really sure how to demonstrate either way on that, so I think at best we can say they're both pretty massively class 100 feats, but that was an effort Boros pulled off once while absolutely...
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    More pertinent to this thread, here's the actual...

    More pertinent to this thread, here's the actual fight with Ogrest but with a lot of footage removed:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAcxjKQiSc

    The actual abilities of the guys fighting him...
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    *cough* the second video that was meant for the...

    *cough* the second video that was meant for the post above and has nothing to do with this fight because I'm just taking an opportunity to indulge myself here and talk about how great Wakfu is:


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    Oh, and because I totally forgot to respond to...

    Oh, and because I totally forgot to respond to Nik, he's from Wakfu/Dofus, a French MMO/cartoon/comic series. Highly recommend if you like high powered fights with basically no PIS ever, and like,...
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    Pipoune, who slightly lifted and subsequently...

    Pipoune, who slightly lifted and subsequently moved a mountain nation (please don't take that as continent moving; it was like, a big mountain and miles of the surrounding land, going about twenty...
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    Saitama vs Ogrest

    Ogrest obviously at the peak of his power here. If Saitama beats Ogrest, then he gets to fight Ogrest and Ogrest's six dragons.

    Arena is covered to prevent spacetossing
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    That'd be the case with Sauron, I think, but...

    That'd be the case with Sauron, I think, but Melkor doesn't really have any ideology outside of self-aggrandizement. I think it'd be more important to him to make everything be ABOUT him, which he...
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    I mean, without any Ainur or some kind of...

    I mean, without any Ainur or some kind of one-above-all type god, there's presumably nothing stopping Melkor from just stepping outside and singing at the world from whatever higher plane.
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