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    Yeah, but the Amazons who die are usually...

    Yeah, but the Amazons who die are usually nameless or have some build up so their deaths have impact if they are named characters (Hellene and Menalippe in Perez). In this, one of the Amazons with an...
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    Because Cavill is acting in those scenes and his...

    Because Cavill is acting in those scenes and his performance in the films is not that varied? It seems pretty obvious.

    Is the elephant in the room bias against tone or something? Because tone and...
  3. I think some of it is down to WB wanting Batman...

    I think some of it is down to WB wanting Batman confronting Superman, the death of Superman, and introducing Wonder Woman to rush into JL all in one movie. At least I remember fandom discussions...
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    I mean, some of the flaws about "not my...

    I mean, some of the flaws about "not my Superman!" are down to Cavill's wooden performance (not that I blame him too much, he did what he was told) not lending itself to a Superman people are going...
  5. That can be the problem with going against...

    That can be the problem with going against perceived notions of characters in general. There can be room for experimentation and shaking up perceptions and it can be successful.

    If you take the...
  6. That is the downside of Golden Age Wonder Woman...

    That is the downside of Golden Age Wonder Woman not having divine gifts but getting that powerful through Amazon training. There is also the fact that Captain Marvel was not a DC creation and the...
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    I mean, those ARE still film making flaws since...

    I mean, those ARE still film making flaws since the film is banking on the pre-conceived notions and popularity of the characters to sell tickets. it's the whole reason why the film was built up as...
  8. He had Donna say the only person to beat Donna in...

    He had Donna say the only person to beat Donna in sparring before Kory was Diana herself.

    Though it may be vague on power levels, Donna may be on the upper tier of Amazons with Amazon training but...
  9. Hell, Xena was a Valkyrie herself for a bit. Also...

    Hell, Xena was a Valkyrie herself for a bit. Also an archangel.

    She had a ridiculously busy life. She could roll with the craziness of Diana's life pretty easily.

    I'd LOVE a team up between...
  10. I liked him in some scenes at first, but when I...

    I liked him in some scenes at first, but when I re-watched it a couple times he started grating more and more.

    It's like he stepped in from a completely different movie, and not in a good way.
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    But then they wouldn't even be the films in...

    But then they wouldn't even be the films in question, so of course they'd be reviewed differently. And still potentially have other problems (See the reception of WW84, with the complete opposite...
  12. The fallout from COIE lead to Wally's parents...

    The fallout from COIE lead to Wally's parents (along with other characters, up to and including Superman) being turned into completely different people, so Wally's political leanings being tweaked...
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    Not really, because tone isn't the only issue...

    Not really, because tone isn't the only issue people have had with the films. The bloated plot and poorly defined characters and dialogue play a part too to make it all a perfect storm of shittiness....
  14. Some plot holes being clarified helps, but it...

    Some plot holes being clarified helps, but it honestly seems like the same movie with the same problems. There is just more of it.
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    Think (hope) you mean Thomas:p Agreed on the...

    Think (hope) you mean Thomas:p

    Agreed on the Finger stuff, that's actually a good idea.
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    This is typically why Snyder's films do not...

    This is typically why Snyder's films do not review well critically.

    I don't think the "it's not what critics expect a CBM to be" thing holds up anymore since stuff like Logan or BOP (at least...
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    Poll: Hal would be #1, with maybe Jessica as #2. I...

    Hal would be #1, with maybe Jessica as #2. I haven't read the series yet, but I'm interested in Far Sector and might put Jo as #3 when I get around to getting the trade
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    Yeah, this sums it up. Really good movie, but...

    Yeah, this sums it up. Really good movie, but criminal mastermind this Joker was not. The character as I see him wouldn't be this unrefined, and yeah I know there are plenty of comics where he IS...
  19. Yeah, if Dick Grayson can't do it, it's hard to...

    Yeah, if Dick Grayson can't do it, it's hard to imagine anyone else would for Batman, or the other two members of the Trinity.





    They can come up with any reason for the characters being...
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    If she's wearing his symbol and being explicitly...

    If she's wearing his symbol and being explicitly part of the brand as Batgirl, it kind of does depend on him to a degree. She's not a completely independent character unless you want to send her out...
  21. "Venus"- Lady Gaga for pre-Crisis Wonder Woman...

    "Venus"- Lady Gaga for pre-Crisis Wonder Woman and the Amazons


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozCoNhg5GE
  22. Agreed. There are some who believe that every...

    Agreed. There are some who believe that every superhero identity is just a title and the natural order of things is to pass them down, but it's really not that clear cut. There is a lot more wiggle...
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    Cass really doesn't have any more of a limited...

    Cass really doesn't have any more of a limited shelf life than any other Bat-character, at least the ones introduced in the 90s and 00s.

    Hell she probably has more of one than half of the Robins. ...
  24. She (or her robots) cameod in the New 52 fighting...

    She (or her robots) cameod in the New 52 fighting Diana and the Amazon Hessia.

    Robinson had her brought back as part of Godwatch in Rebirth, but unfotunately it was just a cameo and nothing came...
  25. What SK said, that sums them both up excellently!

    What SK said, that sums them both up excellently!
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