So the vanishing point is pretty much a joke now right? SE 10 spoilers

[JKtheMac]

And when was the last time a cosmic cube actually brought people back from the dead? One probably has at some point, but they are supposed to be limited.

What hasn't been fully explored yet is how wide ranging the reset is. I don't think it reset anything in the current timeline. I believe all it did was erase the pre-WW2 Steve history. People are perhaps misunderstanding the events of this story if they believe Hydra-cap isn't remembered and that the events of any current comics didn't happen.

So to the OP. This is all a matter of mindset. If we are determined to make a joke out of Marvel then sure everything is a hilarious waste of time. I don't see the point of doing that. If you would prefer to never enjoy a Marvel comic then feel free to hold up everything they do to ridicule. It is only your own enjoyment at stake. The rest of us will read what we enjoy and put aside what we don't.

The Vanishing Point is a device that allows the heroes to reflect upon their legacies. It clearly emerges naturally from the confrontation between the rival Steves which seems to provide the inspiration for the idea and the stories. It is a small set of one-off tales that are mostly just zero issue style done-in-one stories. No big deal, some are quite good, others not so much. Like anything really.

[vitruvian]

And when was the last time a cosmic cube actually brought people back from the dead? One probably has at some point, but they are supposed to be limited.

What hasn't been fully explored yet is how wide ranging the reset is. I don't think it reset anything in the current timeline. I believe all it did was erase the pre-WW2 Steve history. People are perhaps misunderstanding the events of this story if they believe Hydra-cap isn't remembered and that the events of any current comics didn't happen.

So to the OP. This is all a matter of mindset. If we are determined to make a joke out of Marvel then sure everything is a hilarious waste of time. I don't see the point of doing that. If you would prefer to never enjoy a Marvel comic then feel free to hold up everything they do to ridicule. It is only your own enjoyment at stake. The rest of us will read what we enjoy and put aside what we don't.

The Vanishing Point is a device that allows the heroes to reflect upon their legacies. It clearly emerges naturally from the confrontation between the rival Steves which seems to provide the inspiration for the idea and the stories. It is a small set of one-off tales that are mostly just zero issue style done-in-one stories. No big deal, some are quite good, others not so much. Like anything really.

How long till someone sets a story in Vegas with no mention of it ever being destroyed?

[Panfoot]

How long till someone sets a story in Vegas with no mention of it ever being destroyed?

Scarlet Spider is set in Vegas, so that will probably be the first indicator whether it's ignored or not.

[SuperiorIronman]

Given how editorial seems to have a hand in Scarlet Spider it seems it will be mentioned, though it's unlikely to last.
The problem with destroying a location to have consequences is that when characters use that location it needs to be functional in order to be set in that location (a reason why things don't last long in comics). There is no reason to set something in New York if nothing about the infrastructure of New York is working to provide avenues for the plot you want to write. Thus cities get rebuilt quickly because writers want to set something in that location, and similarly that's why death's don't tend to stick. Writers want to use something and will restore a location or person to be able to use it.
Now Vegas could be mostly run down for the time being, but you run into the same problem except mitigated with damage control paint with a stand-in, or perhaps the city is mostly functional. It detracts from what the consequences are since the workarounds still exist in the location for it not to matter beyond lip-service.

Another option for Scarlet Spider is that it moves its setting somewhere else but that would be unfortunate especially considering that I'm pretty sure Vegas was chosen because nobody was using it at the time and so it could be away from other books.

[JKtheMac]

How long till someone sets a story in Vegas with no mention of it ever being destroyed?

It will get nominal mention and then eventually Vegas will just be used as a normal setting again. Is that a problem? This is comics not a serious exploration of alternative history.

[nnelg]

No, not to be snide about it but I'm just better at reading. You don't have to be a Marvel employee to figure that panel out.

It would've been pretty tactless to refer to Nat and Bucky by showing their corpses. Better to remember them "as they were."

In the past whenever someone is dead in that situation they have shown the characters as bodies. Also your not better at reading. But you may be right about them being dead.

[Derek Metaltron]

I could understand Kobik bringing back the heroes of Secret Empire. She was a part of what created the Secret Empire.

But Kobik has no reason to bring back heroes that died before the event. That would be approaching Superboy Prime reality punch level of unnecessary story telling.

But if you CAN, you should. Does Carol honestly want Rhodes dead or Jennifer Bruce for the sake of a message?

Legacy is meant to be something of a fresh relaunch, so why not mark that with the return of lots of heroes via Koibak?

[Prof. Warren]

But if you CAN, you should. Does Carol honestly want Rhodes dead or Jennifer Bruce for the sake of a message?

Legacy is meant to be something of a fresh relaunch, so why not mark that with the return of lots of heroes via Koibak?

No one wants any of their loved ones to be dead. Who's to say who comes back? Where does the wish fulfillment end?

Most of the absent heroes will likely make their way back through other storylines eventually but having Kobik simply magically return them - even if she had the power to do so - would not be good.

[Derek Metaltron]

No one wants any of their loved ones to be dead. Who's to say who comes back? Where does the wish fulfillment end?

Most of the absent heroes will likely make their way back through other storylines eventually but having Kobik simply magically return them - even if she had the power to do so - would not be good.

I agree that's arguably debatable storytelling, but if they don't at least ask her to try, or she gets taken out of the picture before doing so, they wouldn't be thinking logically in my opinion. It possible stuff like House of M is going to make them wary of wish fulfillment. But there's also the innocent people outside of the heroes to consider.

[vitruvian]

It will get nominal mention and then eventually Vegas will just be used as a normal setting again. Is that a problem? This is comics not a serious exploration of alternative history.

Yes, it's a problem. Bad writing always is.

[MyriVerse]

Kobik could have resurrected Natasha and Rick Jones from the dead, but she didn't. Why?

So nobody ever forgets.

Yeah, I'm rolling my eyes too.

[vitruvian]

Given how editorial seems to have a hand in Scarlet Spider it seems it will be mentioned, though it's unlikely to last.
The problem with destroying a location to have consequences is that when characters use that location it needs to be functional in order to be set in that location (a reason why things don't last long in comics). There is no reason to set something in New York if nothing about the infrastructure of New York is working to provide avenues for the plot you want to write. Thus cities get rebuilt quickly because writers want to set something in that location, and similarly that's why death's don't tend to stick. Writers want to use something and will restore a location or person to be able to use it.
Now Vegas could be mostly run down for the time being, but you run into the same problem except mitigated with damage control paint with a stand-in, or perhaps the city is mostly functional. It detracts from what the consequences are since the workarounds still exist in the location for it not to matter beyond lip-service.

Another option for Scarlet Spider is that it moves its setting somewhere else but that would be unfortunate especially considering that I'm pretty sure Vegas was chosen because nobody was using it at the time and so it could be away from other books.

The problem with Vegas is not so much rebuilding the buildings and infrastructure... what with Damage Control and Stark Tech and all that, it could probably be accomplished pretty quickly, although why those technologies aren't used to solve the problem of homelessness if it's actually cheap enough to fix the physical plant that quickly.

It's having it inhabited when they clearly stated practically everyone in the whole city died, and there was no evacuation beforehand. Sure, the city itself might be back, but who's going to want to live there? Who actually owns the houses and casinos? Not much point setting your story in a ghost town, either.

[scotty 360]

i don't quite get the vanishing point and generations, it seems to be about sending the heroes back in time and them being energised by it. it was the older heroes that were questioning them selves so surely they would be the ones that needed re energised or reborn/restored

hulk actually came back doubting himself from that generations one off.

new wolverine didn't seem particularly energised or reborn but there was no reason for her to be at the vanishing point.

jean grey does actually come back energised if not reborn but she wasn't at the vanishing point.

so all a bit weird

good idea but not explained that well i don't think

[JKtheMac]

i don't quite get the vanishing point and generations, it seems to be about sending the heroes back in time and them being energised by it. it was the older heroes that were questioning them selves so surely they would be the ones that needed re energised or reborn/restored

hulk actually came back doubting himself from that generations one off.

new wolverine didn't seem particularly energised or reborn but there was no reason for her to be at the vanishing point.

jean grey does actually come back energised if not reborn but she wasn't at the vanishing point.

so all a bit weird

good idea but not explained that well i don't think

It is a set of zero issues collected as an anthology. The themes are left up to the writers. The sequence in Secret Empire is entirely tangential to the story and you can happily ignore it. Overall the heroes are being confronted with their legacies in ways that are supposed to make them reflect upon them, and they are supposed to give the reader an insight into their solos and potentially interest them in those books when their renumbering happens.

This was always a marketing effort, it was always going to be a little style over substance becuse of that. Some are better than others. They remind me a little of the Rebirth issues. They seemed to be sold as an event but turned out to be a bunch of zero issues. They were mostly so tangential and introductory that they are mainly collected as the last issue of the previous volume when it comes to TPBs. Generations wil probably be collected together because they do not seem to be greatly impacting the solo books.

So far I have liked two of them, but I have only skimmed most of them. The ones I liked the look of I bought, but the rest I can live without.

[Kurolegacy]

The leaving the scares part made it clear to me that they were not alive at the end of the story.

Except Natasha is set to appear in the Iceman solo for a Champions reunion arc as a part of Legacy.