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    Default Marvel characters that aren't allowed to change

    You know in movies and TV there are certain actors who are incredible at playing a certain type of role so much that they are usually typecast as the same archetype over and over like Giancarlo Esposito. What is the marvel equivalent of that? I know comics generally adhere to status quo but some characters must have it worse than others. Which characters aren't allowed to grow and change because in the minds of writers or editors at marvel they are really good at the role they play.

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    Peter Parker. Eternal manchild. He's nearly 30, let him settle down with MJ, they have Miles for the younger skewing storylines now.
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    Spider-man-80s is married and grown up. No longer have as much of the "most make money for aunt mays bills" plot we saw for 30 years.

    Then one more day threw it all away because they wanted peter single again.

    Human torch--Gets married and grews up acting more adult. Can't have that! Wifes now a skrull and he is single again and acts like a child.

    Doom--after 2000 of the same "hate the ff" story they turn doom into an anti-hero in iron man and at last something new. Then slott changes him back to the same old crap after less than year.

    Sandman-Becomes a hero, a avengers and tons of character growth. Then he is in a movie as a bad guy so let's turn him evil again. Can't do that because of his growth. Crap we are stuck. Mind control of course. Then we will ignore he is under mind control even having an issue of the thing pretending he went back to crime by choice when it's mind control. Worse his "buddy" the thing has the cure to it as he and spider-man both were under the same machines control and thing has the cure at home but in over 20 years the ff, avengers or spidey can't bother to save him from it. Then again x-men never bothered to save polaris from malice in the 80s so heroes have a history of not giving a crap.

    Magneto--speaking of magneto. All that growth turning into a hero for a decade in the 80s. Let's toss it in the trash to turn him bad again.

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    Ultimates mad Galactus the Life Bringer...not long after they flipped him back because of some huge threat that needed the old Galactus back. I would have liked many years of Galactus bringing life to planet before he turned back.

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    Daredevil: Suffers crises of conscience 9 out of 10 runs.

    Iron Man: Loses everything and has to learn to trust people ALL the time.

    Reed Richards: Has to learn to be less of a dick almost every run.

    Johnny Storm: Even more of a man-child than Peter Parker. I've lost track of the number of times he's "learned responsibility".

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    I love the answers for Spider-Man and Johnny Storm. I agree.

    Off the top of my head, the X-Men. Constantly feared and hated by the public they save on a daily basis. Even when they try something new it goes right back to being humanity hates mutants, even though they live in a world with much bigger threats then mutants. It's like nothing they do can change how they are viewed and will still be hunted and killed. I know that's the theme of the X-Men but it's gotten tiresome that they've made so little progress and it gets reset whenever the writers see fit. It's why I don't blame characters like Scott Summers going to such extremes to ensure the survival of his race, no matter how much everyone tries to make him out to be the devil for it. Even now with this Krakoa era, now humanity is jealous of their "immortality" power and hate them just as much. When does it end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaastra View Post
    Spider-man-80s is married and grown up. No longer have as much of the "most make money for aunt mays bills" plot we saw for 30 years.

    Then one more day threw it all away because they wanted peter single again.

    Human torch--Gets married and grews up acting more adult. Can't have that! Wifes now a skrull and he is single again and acts like a child.

    Doom--after 2000 of the same "hate the ff" story they turn doom into an anti-hero in iron man and at last something new. Then slott changes him back to the same old crap after less than year.

    Sandman-Becomes a hero, a avengers and tons of character growth. Then he is in a movie as a bad guy so let's turn him evil again. Can't do that because of his growth. Crap we are stuck. Mind control of course. Then we will ignore he is under mind control even having an issue of the thing pretending he went back to crime by choice when it's mind control. Worse his "buddy" the thing has the cure to it as he and spider-man both were under the same machines control and thing has the cure at home but in over 20 years the ff, avengers or spidey can't bother to save him from it. Then again x-men never bothered to save polaris from malice in the 80s so heroes have a history of not giving a crap.

    Magneto--speaking of magneto. All that growth turning into a hero for a decade in the 80s. Let's toss it in the trash to turn him bad again.
    The whole Lyja business is one giant clusterf*** just to make Johnny single again even though I wasn't too keen on him being with Alicia.

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    I feel like it would be easier to make a list of the characters that were allowed to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid Snake View Post
    I feel like it would be easier to make a list of the characters that were allowed to change.
    Hahaha! Indeed. Wash, rinse, repeat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaastra View Post
    Spider-man-80s is married and grown up. No longer have as much of the "most make money for aunt mays bills" plot we saw for 30 years.

    Then one more day threw it all away because they wanted peter single again.

    Human torch--Gets married and grews up acting more adult. Can't have that! Wifes now a skrull and he is single again and acts like a child.

    Doom--after 2000 of the same "hate the ff" story they turn doom into an anti-hero in iron man and at last something new. Then slott changes him back to the same old crap after less than year.

    Sandman-Becomes a hero, a avengers and tons of character growth. Then he is in a movie as a bad guy so let's turn him evil again. Can't do that because of his growth. Crap we are stuck. Mind control of course. Then we will ignore he is under mind control even having an issue of the thing pretending he went back to crime by choice when it's mind control. Worse his "buddy" the thing has the cure to it as he and spider-man both were under the same machines control and thing has the cure at home but in over 20 years the ff, avengers or spidey can't bother to save him from it. Then again x-men never bothered to save polaris from malice in the 80s so heroes have a history of not giving a crap.

    Magneto--speaking of magneto. All that growth turning into a hero for a decade in the 80s. Let's toss it in the trash to turn him bad again.
    This would be my list also and Slott is the guilty party for two of those, possibly three. His Johnny Storm in Fantastic Four was pretty bad...I mean hiding under Zora/Lady Victorious's bed was like a bad Three's Company plot. The less said about his characterization of Doom, the better. Now he's doing Spider-Man .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Peter Parker. Eternal manchild. He's nearly 30, let him settle down with MJ, they have Miles for the younger skewing storylines now.
    Sigh. This is the problem with Miles (for the love of God get a superhero name) Morales. He is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist. There is no reason for Marvel/Disney to ever do what you ask.
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    So you're saying Peter isn't a manchild? And isn't a teenager in every single adaptation? Miles is only a problem because they keep regressing Peter. This would fix it.

    And he HAS a superhero name. Spider-Man. That's not a problem in the comics at least, especially since Marvel is fond of adjectives and Peter's main book nearly always uses Amazing in the title.
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    People complain too much when characters do change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Peter Parker. Eternal manchild. He's nearly 30, let him settle down with MJ, they have Miles for the younger skewing storylines now.
    This one’s kind a double in my eyes. Miles is hitting his Marvel imposed roof pretty quick because if he probably won’t be getting any growth once he hits it due to Peter not growing anymore.

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    The thing is that characters do change, but then the next editor or writer comes along and they want the character to go back to the classic version or the one that was in their childhoods.

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