Revamp a Hero....

[Michael Watkins]

Zero Hunter's villain post has made me curious what people would do with the marvel heroes that they consider to be "scrubs." they are just as vulnerable to bad storytelling. so who would you fix? and how would you fix them.

rules: I'm flexible. but, please, try not to rely on simply killing off existing characters and giving their names to new people (if you can help it).

[Michael Watkins]

Sentry needs to be revamped from a schizophrenic into a different personality.

relatively easy to do. most of what we've seen is the Void. and he's so crazy that he thinks that he's the Sentry. does the Marvel Universe really have room for an uncomplicated superman type, though? Hyperion hasn't done so hot.

I think they also need to revamp the whole Fantastic Four.

how would you do it?

[Crimz]

I've said how I'd revamp the Fantastic Four ad nauseam.

The Thing - His personality is great, just make him stronger and no more self pity over being the Thing. That plotpoint has become overused.
Mr. Fantastic - Less magical genius and less screentime on FF books. Make him stop treating the team like kids and more like equals.
Human Torch - More mature, focus more on his mechanical skills while also making it more obvious that he loves being a superhero. (I'd also make him bi, but I can also live without it)
Invisible Woman - Make her a doctor/surgeon and more involved in the Marvel Universe away from the team. Have her love being an adventurer.

Here are some other characters:

Nightcrawler - More swashbuckler than over-religious priest. Have him be the emotional heart of the X-Men as he should be and be better integrated into the story. He shouldn't just be there as glorified wallpaper *cough* X-Men: Gold *cough*

Storm - The X-franchise needs to look at the Black Panther books to see how Storm should be done. it's the best she's been in years.

[Michael Watkins]

I've said how I'd revamp the Fantastic Four ad nauseam.

always assume that it is someone's first time reading it.

The Thing [/B]- His personality is great, just make him stronger and no more self pity over being the Thing. That plotpoint has become overused.

sure. but it was totally believable that he'd be down about it; originally. I couldn't imagine liking someone, finally getting a chance to spend more time with that person, being disfigured, and having my friend become closer to this person.

]Mr. Fantastic[/B] - Less magical genius and less screentime on FF books. Make him stop treating the team like kids and more like equals.

they should see equal billing. but then what is his draw; if he's not a magical genius? he's not incredibly good looking or charming. and his powers aren't anything to brag about.

Human Torch[/B] - More mature, focus more on his mechanical skills while also making it more obvious that he loves being a superhero.

I certainly agree about him showing more mechanical skill. and he does love being a superhero.

Invisible Woman[/B] - Make her a doctor/surgeon and more involved in the Marvel Universe away from the team. Have her love being an adventurer.

good!

Nightcrawler - More swashbuckler than over-religious priest. Have him be the emotional heart of the X-Men as he should be and be better integrated into the story. He shouldn't just be there as glorified wallpaper *cough* X-Men: Gold *cough*

I do like the swashbuckler side of him. but I appreciate his religious side when it is used sparingly (like whenever the topic of killing their enemies arises). it makes him like one of the gentler x-men; to contrast with his demonic appearance. I haven't liked how he has been used post-millennium. I wasn't stoked about the Azazel storyline either (although Azazel was entertaining enough in the movie).

Storm[/B] - The X-franchise needs to look at the Black Panther books to see how Storm should be done. it's the best she's been in years.

I like her as a leader. but she's the kind of character that I'm never going to fall in love with. she takes herself very seriously. good revamps!

[Crimz]

always assume that it is someone's first time reading it.



sure. but it was totally believable that he'd be down about it; originally. I couldn't imagine liking someone, finally getting a chance to spend more time with that person, being disfigured, and having my friend become closer to this person.



they should see equal billing. but then what is his draw; if he's not a magical genius? he's not incredibly good looking or charming. and his powers aren't anything to brag about.

Ben will likely always have problems with his physical appearance, but the problem is when that is the only basis for character development writers give him. He should have other things just as impactful going on in his life.

On Reed, I should have made myself clearer as I still would like him to be a mega genius. I just don't want his intelligence being the only thing that saves the day all the time as it makes the others look unimportant. The FF have over-relied on Reed's intelligence for years and to the detriment of the other three.

[Michael Watkins]

Ben will likely always have problems with his physical appearance, but the problem is when that is the only basis for character development writers give him. He should have other things just as impactful going on in his life.

On Reed, I should have made myself clearer as I still would like him to be a mega genius. I just don't want his intelligence being the only thing that saves the day all the time as it makes the others look unimportant. The FF have over-relied on Reed's intelligence for years and to the detriment of the other three.

i think some of that could be solved by making Reed almost paternally interested in seeing other people strut their own intelligence. Sue being smarter/more accomplished is definitely a start. but i would want Reed to be like a college professor; starting an idea but expecting someone (like his wife, for instance) to finish the thought or come at the problem from a different angle. i think this would make him seem like Doom's polar opposite; the latter tends to openly dismiss the capabilities of others. the team should be filling a void in Reed's life. he's years ahead of people intellectually but is desperate for people to meet him on his level; to commune with others intellectually. it's the explorer in him.

[teamhawkeyes]

I've said how I'd revamp the Fantastic Four ad nauseam.

The Thing - His personality is great, just make him stronger and no more self pity over being the Thing. That plotpoint has become overused.
Mr. Fantastic - Less magical genius and less screentime on FF books. Make him stop treating the team like kids and more like equals.
Human Torch - More mature, focus more on his mechanical skills while also making it more obvious that he loves being a superhero. (I'd also make him bi, but I can also live without it)
Invisible Woman - Make her a doctor/surgeon and more involved in the Marvel Universe away from the team. Have her love being an adventurer.

Here are some other characters:

Nightcrawler - More swashbuckler than over-religious priest. Have him be the emotional heart of the X-Men as he should be and be better integrated into the story. He shouldn't just be there as glorified wallpaper *cough* X-Men: Gold *cough*

Storm - The X-franchise needs to look at the Black Panther books to see how Storm should be done. it's the best she's been in years.

I would read this version of the Fantastic Four so hard.

[Michael Watkins]

Delroy Garrett jr.

*shakes head*

it's rare that I like a character and don't like their origin. but the current 3-D Man has a (imo) really unfortunate intro. know how to make people hate a character who is also a minority? have them constantly remind you that they are a minority by aggressively proclaiming the Avengers to be racist while wearing traditionally African colors, having the name 'Delroy,' and a 90s flat top haircut. then make sure that his powerset sounds like an amped up version of Captain America's but displays as a weaker version of Quicksilver, Spider-man, and any superstrong character's powers. oh and make him a disgraced athlete who used steroids. so not only is he an affirmative action case with a chip on his shoulder. he's also a cheater. well, this started as wanting to revamp him. but I actually kind of want to erase him. anyways...

my take. Odell Garrett jr. comes from a military family. his father had a grudge against superheroes and discouraged his son from idolizing them (even if Odell did secretly look up to guys like luke cage, falcon, etc). Odell's a talented high school athlete but enlists after graduating. he's injured badly while intelligence tasking. he has trouble readjusting to civilian life but does eventually compete in the paralympics. those triune aliens, posing as government scientists, promise to make Odell better; with his service as payment (as the new 3-D Man). they want him to infiltrate the Avengers to find and eliminate an alien infiltrator. this way, 3-D Man still enters the team with a great deal of distrust (and his father's prejudice against supertypes). the Triune aliens intend for the Avengers to be destroyed from within. and they tamper with 3-D Man's powers to make him suspect different Avengers of duplicity. Ultimately, Odell has to learn to listen to his own intuition and focus his powers. he would also have to learn to ask others for guidance; to fully exploit his abilities. he was chosen for a reason. 3-D Man's powers amplify what is already there. Odell was already perceptive, able to strategize/play 3-dimensional chess, and a natural actor/able to see the world through the eyes of others. I'd still give him character flaws. he'd be quick to judge and be super competitive. I barely remember the updated continuity for the original 3-D men. but that stuff should be able to mesh with this. my motive in making these changes was to decrease the importance of his skin color, remove the religious angle (it's a personal turn-off), and give him some qualifications (prior to enhancement) that weren't athleticism based.


maybe some toned down colors on the suit

[Digifiend]

Replace the Human Torch with a black guy. Make both Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman divorced. Make the Thing more sarcastic and more narcissistic.

I assume that's a joke about Fant4stic?

just a random black guy or someone related to the others?

Johnny was black in the latest movie.

Delroy Garrett jr.

*shakes head*

it's rare that I like a character and don't like their origin. but the current 3-D Man has a (imo) really unfortunate intro. know how to make people hate a character who is also a minority? have them constantly remind you that they are a minority by aggressively proclaiming the Avengers to be racist while wearing traditionally African colors, having the name 'Delroy,' and a 90s flat top haircut.

To be fair, when he was introduced as Triathlon, it WAS the 90s.

[Captain Wessex]

Sharon Ventura, aka Ms Marvel II

I loathe that she got turned into She-Thing and that she's gone bat-guano crazy.

I'd bring her back by her having been exposed to the Terrigen cloud, coccooned and come out back to her human self. She's still super-strong, but now she's also got a new power (not flight, maybe telekinesis or super-speed?) and she gets a new costume and becomes Red Marvel and regains her senses and becomes a hero again.

[tliscord]

Nick Fury Jr
This may be all too obvious but regarding Nick Fury Jr's arc and origin. First off I have no problem with Nick Sr having another child besides Mikel. But a more compelling story might've left out the obvious bow to the MCU. I'd have developed more of a confrontational approach to father and son, and had Marcus keep his name out of respect for his mother. Marcus would be bitter and perhaps angry at Nick blaming him indirectly for his mom's death, and abandoning them. In fact, Marcus would be at best morally adrift, and could be exploited by Nick's enemies. Given his secret harboring the Infinity Formula only Fury and Marcus know about I'd have the son struggle with his bitterness and his heroism as a Ranger. That would be his constant journey. I nthink maintaining that ambiguity for Marcus would allow him to drift to and from anti SHIELD organizations like Hydra or Leviathan all the while running from his father bent on keeping the Formula out of circulation. Marcus could almost be a fugitive.

Thanks for starting this thread, great idea.

[OBrianTallent]

Sharon Ventura, aka Ms Marvel II

I loathe that she got turned into She-Thing and that she's gone bat-guano crazy.

I'd bring her back by her having been exposed to the Terrigen cloud, coccooned and come out back to her human self. She's still super-strong, but now she's also got a new power (not flight, maybe telekinesis or super-speed?) and she gets a new costume and becomes Red Marvel and regains her senses and becomes a hero again.

I love you for this idea. She was an awesome character who has become just...sad.

[danielsan52]

Delroy Garrett jr.

*shakes head*

it's rare that I like a character and don't like their origin. but the current 3-D Man has a (imo) really unfortunate intro. know how to make people hate a character who is also a minority? have them constantly remind you that they are a minority by aggressively proclaiming the Avengers to be racist while wearing traditionally African colors, having the name 'Delroy,' and a 90s flat top haircut. then make sure that his powerset sounds like an amped up version of Captain America's but displays as a weaker version of Quicksilver, Spider-man, and any superstrong character's powers. oh and make him a disgraced athlete who used steroids. so not only is he an affirmative action case with a chip on his shoulder. he's also a cheater. well, this started as wanting to revamp him. but I actually kind of want to erase him. anyways...

my take. Odell Garrett jr. comes from a military family. his father had a grudge against superheroes and discouraged his son from idolizing them (even if Odell did secretly look up to guys like luke cage, falcon, etc). Odell's a talented high school athlete but enlists after graduating. he's injured badly while intelligence tasking. he has trouble readjusting to civilian life but does eventually compete in the paralympics. those triune aliens, posing as government scientists, promise to make Odell better; with his service as payment (as the new 3-D Man). they want him to infiltrate the Avengers to find and eliminate an alien infiltrator. this way, 3-D Man still enters the team with a great deal of distrust (and his father's prejudice against supertypes). the Triune aliens intend for the Avengers to be destroyed from within. and they tamper with 3-D Man's powers to make him suspect different Avengers of duplicity. Ultimately, Odell has to learn to listen to his own intuition and focus his powers. he would also have to learn to ask others for guidance; to fully exploit his abilities. he was chosen for a reason. 3-D Man's powers amplify what is already there. Odell was already perceptive, able to strategize/play 3-dimensional chess, and a natural actor/able to see the world through the eyes of others. I'd still give him character flaws. he'd be quick to judge and be super competitive. I barely remember the updated continuity for the original 3-D men. but that stuff should be able to mesh with this. my motive in making these changes was to decrease the importance of his skin color, remove the religious angle (it's a personal turn-off), and give him some qualifications (prior to enhancement) that weren't athleticism based.


maybe some toned down colors on the suit

Change the green to blue? I was so delighted when they changed him from that awful Triathalon to 3D Man! But then he was still never used.

[Michael Watkins]

Change the green to blue? I was so delighted when they changed him from that awful Triathalon to 3D Man! But then he was still never used.

Yeah. Unfortunately the Agents of Atlas never caught on. He made a lateral move obscurity-wise. He’s still a decent character with action centric powers.

[Sutekh]

Change the green to blue? I was so delighted when they changed him from that awful Triathalon to 3D Man! But then he was still never used.

I do not like the green and red so prominent. If the green and gold, or red and gold were the two dominant colors, with the third as an accent, perhaps that would be less of an eyesore?

And as for his powers, I dig the three times reaction speed, endurance, healing rate, strength, etc. But to really differentiate him, I'd love if they played up the three times sensory acuity and *three times intelligence* that should logically come along with it. Make him (a little bit) superhumanly intuitive, clever, perceptive, etc. pulling out some stunts that Captain America doesn't generally own, like memorizing or speed-reading or hearing stuff clearly at a distance, that his 'blah of three men' enhancements should cover, and Cap's enhanced physicality doesn't.