Revamp a Hero....

[Huntsman Spider]

Ultimate Marvel 2099 (my idea for a 2099 revamp, starting with Spider-Man):

The future is here and it is the same as the present, only with more advanced technology, more advanced pollution, more advanced crime and corruption, and nearly everything has been privatized, with governments effectively neutralized by an event known as "The Great Cataclysm." For example, law enforcement and national defense are handled by private military firms and you have to have a contract with at least one of them before you can get any police services. Another example is that private schools are the default, with the education system being run by corporate firms that are more interested in grooming future employees and labor than they are in nurturing intelligence and creativity. Big Pharma now overtly owns the medical profession and industry, as opposed to covertly, determining what medical advances get approved and mainstreamed, and how said medical advances are provided, solely on the basis of what will be most profitable as opposed to most effective or even what will do the most good for the most people.

Large tech firms have near-total control over how people access information on the Internet, as well as what information they access to begin with, hand in hand with huge media conglomerates that have thoroughly absorbed their competition, both major and minor. Corporate owners and their employees/servants live high above the polluted, toxic environment in massive climate-controlled spires built atop the ruins of the old cities. Said ruins are the only refuge of the downtrodden and destitute, who are mercilessly preyed upon by criminal gangs and the occasional "Uptown urchin" who wants to vent their sadistic impulses on people who, according to the corporate-dominated power structure, "don't matter," and routinely "pacified" by the privatized police.

Enter Miguel O'Hara, a brilliant, driven, but utterly arrogant and self-interested young student already working on his graduate thesis for the Alchemax Institute of Science and Technology at the ripe old age of 20. Groomed for greatness by Alchemax CEO Tyler Stone, who's taken a very personal interest in mentoring him, Miguel thinks the world will soon be his oyster, especially once he reveals Extremis, a substance so named because of its capacity to push human bodies and minds to the absolute extreme of their potential ability. Unfortunately for him, his arrogance has scored him many enemies, including a rival named Aaron Delgado who secretly doses Miguel with the DNA-altering drug Rapture and sabotages Miguel's Extremis experiment by introducing spider DNA to the process and overclocking the machine Miguel built to control the delivery of Extremis into the test subject's body. The mixture of the Rapture, the Extremis, and the spider DNA, along with Miguel's unwittingly overclocked delivery machine, sets off a massive explosion that destroys his dormitory and causes him to literally fall from grace to his seeming death.

However, Miguel lands in Downtown, the ruins of the old New York City, where he is found by some gangsters who think they can just kill him, only to be surprised when he reflexively lashes out at them with superhuman strength, speed, and ferocity, the last helped by the talons growing from his fingertips and toes and the fangs grown from his eyeteeth. Barely able to remember who he is, Miguel runs for shelter and is taken in by a female priest named Father Jennifer, who nurses him to health, only to find that his routing of the gangsters has led them to her doorstep, seeking revenge. Again, Miguel drives them off, but his frenzy of near-feral rage and aggression frightens Jennifer and Miguel leaves as well out of guilt and shame, then runs into a small group at prayer . . . praying to the superheroes of old for deliverance. Miguel huddles with them for shelter, and is regaled with tales, though the tale that sticks out most for him is the tale of Spider-Man, whom the prayer group seems convinced has been reincarnated in Miguel, who denies this vehemently, saying that he's no superhero, just a freak and a monster.

The prayer group retorts that "freak" and "monster" were labels grafted to Spider-Man by those who did not understand him and what he stood for, or understood what he stood for and despised him for it, though Miguel remains unconvinced until another gang shows up looking for trouble. As much as Miguel doesn't "feel like it," after one of the gangsters strikes out at the elder member of the prayer group, he's compelled to strike back on their behalf, and the prayer group takes Miguel's actions and abilities as proof that their belief in him being Spider-Man is true. Out of gratitude, even though Miguel leaves again, the prayer group gives him some of their raiment to better cover himself and disguise his identity; after that, Miguel runs into his perennial tormentor since early adolescence, Tyler Stone's son Kron, who is exactly the kind of Uptown urchin who comes to Downtown just to indulge his sadistic impulses with no fear of punishment from the law. Seeing him and his cronies preying on the helpless and powerless pushes Miguel to intercede, attacking and driving Kron and his buddies away from their would-be prey.

However, word spreads throughout Downtown, and even all the way to Uptown, especially after Kron's attack, about him, and out of believing that "Spider-Man's" presence and actions might stir up a revolt in the masses, Alchemax sends a certain cyborg specialist (Venture, whom I'm modeling as an evil Adam Jensen from Deus Ex: Human Revolution/Mankind Divided) to track down and kill him. This leads to a very public battle in which Miguel does nearly die, and a number of hapless bystanders actually do die, while Miguel is ultimately saved by a group of would-be cyber-revolutionaries led by his sister Gabriela "Gabe" O'Hara, who left home after graduating high school and calls herself Firelight. Having saved Miguel, Gabe asks him to join her cause, her quest to take back the world from the dominant megacorporations who've driven it into ruin, particularly after seeing for himself how the poor and powerless are treated by those megacorporations.

Despite his sister's pleas, Miguel is bent on going back to Uptown so that he can prove he was framed for the destruction of the Alchemax Institute dormitory, which the press and the megacorps are now dubbing a terrorist attack, and so he can fight the megacorps and their agents/enforcers on their turf and undermine them from the inside. Eventually, Miguel persuades Gabe to let him go back to Uptown so that he can clear his name, though she insists she's going to send someone to watch his back, and he understands her meaning when he finds himself with a new VR assistant named Lyla --- whose intelligence is directly derived from Gabe's brain patterns and who comes in handy when Venture tracks him down looking to finish what he started back in Downtown. Miguel ultimately beats Venture, and drops off his badly dismantled carcass at Alchemax while disguised in a nanofabricated suit (resembling a hybrid of his original and ANAD costumes), sending a message through that to Tyler Stone and accepting his role as Spider-Man, the hero of 2099.

And this is just the beginning. Other heroes will join Spider-Man in Ultimate Marvel 2099.

[Michael Watkins]

Ultimate Marvel 2099 (my idea for a 2099 revamp, starting with Spider-Man):

The future is here and it is the same as the present, only with more advanced technology, more advanced pollution, more advanced crime and corruption, and nearly everything has been privatized, with governments effectively neutralized by an event known as "The Great Cataclysm." For example, law enforcement and national defense are handled by private military firms and you have to have a contract with at least one of them before you can get any police services. Another example is that private schools are the default, with the education system being run by corporate firms that are more interested in grooming future employees and labor than they are in nurturing intelligence and creativity. Big Pharma now overtly owns the medical profession and industry, as opposed to covertly, determining what medical advances get approved and mainstreamed, and how said medical advances are provided, solely on the basis of what will be most profitable as opposed to most effective or even what will do the most good for the most people.

Large tech firms have near-total control over how people access information on the Internet, as well as what information they access to begin with, hand in hand with huge media conglomerates that have thoroughly absorbed their competition, both major and minor. Corporate owners and their employees/servants live high above the polluted, toxic environment in massive climate-controlled spires built atop the ruins of the old cities. Said ruins are the only refuge of the downtrodden and destitute, who are mercilessly preyed upon by criminal gangs and the occasional "Uptown urchin" who wants to vent their sadistic impulses on people who, according to the corporate-dominated power structure, "don't matter," and routinely "pacified" by the privatized police.

bleak but a good back drop. your revamp is dense. so I'm going to do my reaction, in blocks.

[Michael Watkins]

Enter Miguel O'Hara, a brilliant, driven, but utterly arrogant and self-interested young student already working on his graduate thesis for the Alchemax Institute of Science and Technology at the ripe old age of 20. Groomed for greatness by Alchemax CEO Tyler Stone, who's taken a very personal interest in mentoring him, Miguel thinks the world will soon be his oyster, especially once he reveals Extremis, a substance so named because of its capacity to push human bodies and minds to the absolute extreme of their potential ability.

is it a coincidence that it shares the name of Maya Hansen's experiment?

Unfortunately for him, his arrogance has scored him many enemies, including a rival named Aaron Delgado who secretly doses Miguel with the DNA-altering drug Rapture and sabotages Miguel's Extremis experiment by introducing spider DNA to the process and overclocking the machine Miguel built to control the delivery of Extremis into the test subject's body. The mixture of the Rapture, the Extremis, and the spider DNA, along with Miguel's unwittingly overclocked delivery machine, sets off a massive explosion that destroys his dormitory and causes him to literally fall from grace to his seeming death.

I would need to know more about this Rapture. why bother injecting Miguel if the idea was simply to sabotage his experiment?

[Huntsman Spider]

is it a coincidence that it shares the name of Maya Hansen's experiment?



I would need to know more about this Rapture. why bother injecting Miguel if the idea was simply to sabotage his experiment?

To make him look like an unstable drug addict who shouldn't have been allowed on the premises of the Alchemax Institute in the first place, let alone admitted as a student. As for why Miguel's miracle substance is called Extremis, being that this is supposed to be the future of the now-defunct Ultimate Marvel Universe, it's actually a refinement of the OZ formula that was developed by Norman Osborn. In fact, like in 616, Alchemax was what happened after Oscorp was completely bought up and out and renamed to make a clean break with Osborn's legacy of madness and evil . . . mostly because it was bad PR for the new owner(s).

[blackspidey2099]

Ultimate Marvel 2099 (my idea for a 2099 revamp, starting with Spider-Man):

The future is here and it is the same as the present, only with more advanced technology, more advanced pollution, more advanced crime and corruption, and nearly everything has been privatized, with governments effectively neutralized by an event known as "The Great Cataclysm." For example, law enforcement and national defense are handled by private military firms and you have to have a contract with at least one of them before you can get any police services. Another example is that private schools are the default, with the education system being run by corporate firms that are more interested in grooming future employees and labor than they are in nurturing intelligence and creativity. Big Pharma now overtly owns the medical profession and industry, as opposed to covertly, determining what medical advances get approved and mainstreamed, and how said medical advances are provided, solely on the basis of what will be most profitable as opposed to most effective or even what will do the most good for the most people.

Large tech firms have near-total control over how people access information on the Internet, as well as what information they access to begin with, hand in hand with huge media conglomerates that have thoroughly absorbed their competition, both major and minor. Corporate owners and their employees/servants live high above the polluted, toxic environment in massive climate-controlled spires built atop the ruins of the old cities. Said ruins are the only refuge of the downtrodden and destitute, who are mercilessly preyed upon by criminal gangs and the occasional "Uptown urchin" who wants to vent their sadistic impulses on people who, according to the corporate-dominated power structure, "don't matter," and routinely "pacified" by the privatized police.

Enter Miguel O'Hara, a brilliant, driven, but utterly arrogant and self-interested young student already working on his graduate thesis for the Alchemax Institute of Science and Technology at the ripe old age of 20. Groomed for greatness by Alchemax CEO Tyler Stone, who's taken a very personal interest in mentoring him, Miguel thinks the world will soon be his oyster, especially once he reveals Extremis, a substance so named because of its capacity to push human bodies and minds to the absolute extreme of their potential ability. Unfortunately for him, his arrogance has scored him many enemies, including a rival named Aaron Delgado who secretly doses Miguel with the DNA-altering drug Rapture and sabotages Miguel's Extremis experiment by introducing spider DNA to the process and overclocking the machine Miguel built to control the delivery of Extremis into the test subject's body. The mixture of the Rapture, the Extremis, and the spider DNA, along with Miguel's unwittingly overclocked delivery machine, sets off a massive explosion that destroys his dormitory and causes him to literally fall from grace to his seeming death.

However, Miguel lands in Downtown, the ruins of the old New York City, where he is found by some gangsters who think they can just kill him, only to be surprised when he reflexively lashes out at them with superhuman strength, speed, and ferocity, the last helped by the talons growing from his fingertips and toes and the fangs grown from his eyeteeth. Barely able to remember who he is, Miguel runs for shelter and is taken in by a female priest named Father Jennifer, who nurses him to health, only to find that his routing of the gangsters has led them to her doorstep, seeking revenge. Again, Miguel drives them off, but his frenzy of near-feral rage and aggression frightens Jennifer and Miguel leaves as well out of guilt and shame, then runs into a small group at prayer . . . praying to the superheroes of old for deliverance. Miguel huddles with them for shelter, and is regaled with tales, though the tale that sticks out most for him is the tale of Spider-Man, whom the prayer group seems convinced has been reincarnated in Miguel, who denies this vehemently, saying that he's no superhero, just a freak and a monster.

The prayer group retorts that "freak" and "monster" were labels grafted to Spider-Man by those who did not understand him and what he stood for, or understood what he stood for and despised him for it, though Miguel remains unconvinced until another gang shows up looking for trouble. As much as Miguel doesn't "feel like it," after one of the gangsters strikes out at the elder member of the prayer group, he's compelled to strike back on their behalf, and the prayer group takes Miguel's actions and abilities as proof that their belief in him being Spider-Man is true. Out of gratitude, even though Miguel leaves again, the prayer group gives him some of their raiment to better cover himself and disguise his identity; after that, Miguel runs into his perennial tormentor since early adolescence, Tyler Stone's son Kron, who is exactly the kind of Uptown urchin who comes to Downtown just to indulge his sadistic impulses with no fear of punishment from the law. Seeing him and his cronies preying on the helpless and powerless pushes Miguel to intercede, attacking and driving Kron and his buddies away from their would-be prey.

However, word spreads throughout Downtown, and even all the way to Uptown, especially after Kron's attack, about him, and out of believing that "Spider-Man's" presence and actions might stir up a revolt in the masses, Alchemax sends a certain cyborg specialist (Venture, whom I'm modeling as an evil Adam Jensen from Deus Ex: Human Revolution/Mankind Divided) to track down and kill him. This leads to a very public battle in which Miguel does nearly die, and a number of hapless bystanders actually do die, while Miguel is ultimately saved by a group of would-be cyber-revolutionaries led by his sister Gabriela "Gabe" O'Hara, who left home after graduating high school and calls herself Firelight. Having saved Miguel, Gabe asks him to join her cause, her quest to take back the world from the dominant megacorporations who've driven it into ruin, particularly after seeing for himself how the poor and powerless are treated by those megacorporations.

Despite his sister's pleas, Miguel is bent on going back to Uptown so that he can prove he was framed for the destruction of the Alchemax Institute dormitory, which the press and the megacorps are now dubbing a terrorist attack, and so he can fight the megacorps and their agents/enforcers on their turf and undermine them from the inside. Eventually, Miguel persuades Gabe to let him go back to Uptown so that he can clear his name, though she insists she's going to send someone to watch his back, and he understands her meaning when he finds himself with a new VR assistant named Lyla --- whose intelligence is directly derived from Gabe's brain patterns and who comes in handy when Venture tracks him down looking to finish what he started back in Downtown. Miguel ultimately beats Venture, and drops off his badly dismantled carcass at Alchemax while disguised in a nanofabricated suit (resembling a hybrid of his original and ANAD costumes), sending a message through that to Tyler Stone and accepting his role as Spider-Man, the hero of 2099.

And this is just the beginning. Other heroes will join Spider-Man in Ultimate Marvel 2099.

This sounds really cool, and if pulled off well, could be even better than the current 2099 origin story IMO. Well done!

[Michael Watkins]

QUICK HITS XVERSE

. Hank McCoy, Scott Summers, Jean Grey, Bobby Drake, and Warren Worthington II were led to believe that they were the original X-Men. but Storm's group would actually have been organized, first. but they would have disbanded after a mission gone bad; leading to the deaths of members Vulcan (Italy), Petra (Denmark), Darwin (Phillipines), and Sway (China). this incident leads to Xavier focusing more on the school aspect of the X-Men. it also led to a rift between he and Moira MacTaggert.

. screw the siege perilous. it's such a cheat. the X-Men hiding out in the Outback is fine. cosmic life altering portal is just extreme-Claremontism. Forge-tech could keep them hidden from electronic surveillance; if needed. i just prefer the X-Men being more down to Earth.

. Kwannon is one of the Shadow King's thralls. he sends her to kill the X-Men; Psylocke, specifically. at some point, fight goes to the astral plane (after Kwannon succeeds in her task; running Betsy's body through with a sword). Kwannon more or less sacrifices herself to protect Betsy; while they are non-corporeal. with the Shadow King occupied, Braddock enters Kwannon's now mindless form. this was only possible because Kwannon was psi-sensitive.

. changing the timeline so that Scott is cheating on Madelyne prior to knowing that she's pregnant. it'd be a complete shock to he and the rest of the X-Men when she's found with baby Nate. it's still part of Sinister's gameplan. but i don't need Cyclops' image to be further tarnished.

. remember Magneto's uncle Max (Magneto Testament series)? what Mags didn't know was that, while he lost the majority of his family in the death camps, Max had a kid that he wasn't aware of. and way wayyy down the line, a descendant of Max had a green haired baby; that they named Lorna. she's not his daughter. but the discovery of her existence is, obviously, extremely important to Magneto. he was named for his uncle and it'd probably hit him where it counts if he found out that some of his relatives survived the Holocaust. i wanted to keep the familial link w/o needing to explain that some de-aged Magneto met and impregnated some rando human; that turned out to be Lorna's mother (and Zaladane's mother?).

. Zaladane's one of the High Evolutionary's escaped experiments; using some of Magneto's DNA and maybe some of the indigenous savage landers. she's kind of the X-23 to Magneto's "Logan" in that way.

. we saw very little of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants' activities, outside of those involving the X-Men. but I'd have it explicitly stated that they also attacked rightwing organizations like Hydra and the Watchdogs. they would also have stolen a lot of their resources from A.I.M. my version would be far more extensive than Magneto, Toad, Mastermind, and the twins. they'd have an army of lower level mutant extremists scattered throughout the world.

[Michael Watkins]

FANTASTIC FOURVERSE

. Franklin and Val would be twins

. Franklin would be just as he is now. his parents would have artificially (and controversially) inhibited his mutant abilities; in the interest of safety. his existence would paint a target on the FF's heads; from various cosmic threats. he would have spent some time at the x-institute; where he would meet Arthur Maddicks and Leech.

. Valeria would have inherited her father's potential for high intelligence but it would be portrayed more as being abnormally thoughtful for her age; as opposed to being a know-it-all. her true potential would only be seen in those rare stories where we see them in the future or the future versions visit the present. mainly, she'd just be a little kid with a thirst for knowledge.

. Cassie Lang would be part of the Future Foundation (whose members, while testing well, wouldn't be super geniuses to the point of straining credulity). you'd have to read my ant-man revamp. but the FF would know Cassie before getting to know Scott. Henry Pym would have filled in for Reed; in Scott's stead.

. Alyssa Moy, on behalf of the Gideon Trust, would have experimented to recreate the cosmic event that created the Fantastic Four. it would go horribly wrong and result in the U-Foes. the latter would have been locked away until Thunderbolt Ross chose to unleash them on the Hulk.

[Michael Watkins]

eh. another thread has triggered me. so here goes...

QUICK HITS

. Mantis
would be much as she is now but be an actual extraterrestrial from a race that happen to look Asiatic; none of that prostitution business. she could reach her level of psi sensitivity through self-discipline/training. my favorite take on the character is from the Annihilation Conquest: Starlord story. it made me forget her humble beginnings. so I'm sacrificing the Swordsman stuff (just never understood his place in the Avengers; to be honest).
http://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/de...?itok=9Qkzisw6

. Moondragon
honestly, I think that she has loads of potential as a super-villainess; like Thanos level. but I can go either way on it. she did a lot of awful stuff as an Avenger. but all of it is acceptable if she's a villain-in-hiding; sneaking her way onto the team in the same way as Doctor Druid. mostly, I'd uncouple her from Drax. neither character is aided by the familial connection. she can certainly retain her sexual preference; even the eventual romance with Phylla. but I feel that she should be in an adversarial relationship with much of the hero community; in the meantime. oh and the origin (of course) would need to be tweaked. Mentor had her raised by monks or something; to unlock her psychic potential. now there are a slew of ways for this to happen, on Earth (or even Kunlun). but I don't want to just jettison the Titan stuff; for the sake of convenience. i'll work on it. ultimately, it's her overall goal(s) that is important. is she out to perfect the world; like a Doctor Doom? is she simply interested in subjugating people; like the Mandarin? maybe it's because she was rejected as the celestial Madonna. :shrugs:

[Black Manta]

I'd like to see Ben reform the FF with some other heroes. Have Johnny lose his powers, get Hammond to replace him. Get a couple other heroes Ben trusts to join the team. Sue and Reed don't have to return right away.

[Michael Watkins]

I'd like to see Ben reform the FF with some other heroes. Have Johnny lose his powers, get Hammond to replace him. Get a couple other heroes Ben trusts to join the team. Sue and Reed don't have to return right away.

so Ben's going to be the only returning? pretty bold. surprised he's not recruiting from that French team he hung with; during Civil War. Johnny doesn't really have to lose his powers for this to happen. he's got other responsibilities nowadays. Hammond and Ben, both, work for what's left of SHIELD.

[Michael Watkins]

on that Immortus stuff, it got me thinking. Cassie Lang was the pseudo-romantic interest of, both, Kristoff Vernard (Doom's heir) and Nathaniel Richards (Young Kang/Kid Immortus). I thought that I'd do something with it. I'd use some of her alternate-reality continuity (I think it's happened in 2 other realities) and make Cassie a latent superhuman. I haven't settled on whether she's a mutant, an inhuman, or maybe even a nexus being. but what is currently canon is that the Langs are genetically suited to Pym particle manipulation. seems kind of coincidental, right? fair criticism. but there was an element of fate in Scott's origin story. what drew him to Pym's house in the first place? on paper, he was looking for expensive stuff to pawn and use that money to pay "muscle" to help him break into Cross Technological Enterprises. think about how illogical that plan is. he had no idea what time frame he was working with. he saw a woman being kidnapped and, then, took the time slowly bypass Pym's advanced alarm system. then there's Scott's recruitment as part of that uber secret Defenders team; that witnessed the end of the world. so one could make the argument that there are cosmic forces at play.

back to Cassie, I'd say that her mutant/inhuman/cosmic/etc ability allows for the full utilization of the Pym particles. I'm not just talking about the shrinking, growing, and changing size of objects. in Fraction's FF run, it was revealed that this is just the tip of the power set. Wonderman's super strength and Vision's density powers are also tied into it. Ultron, when he created the Vision, intended for him to be a size changer. instead, it presented itself as phasing/density manipulation. Bill Foster and Pym used them to create the Infinite Mansion. and Erik Josten's growth derived from ionic strength enhancement. they explained it better in the book. but what would have drawn Kang to Cassie would be the potential time manipulation aspect of the powers.

[Black Manta]

so Ben's going to be the only returning? pretty bold. surprised he's not recruiting from that French team he hung with; during Civil War. Johnny doesn't really have to lose his powers for this to happen. he's got other responsibilities nowadays. Hammond and Ben, both, work for what's left of SHIELD.

I've always felt Ben was the best part of the team, and it's interesting when they have other members on the team. But the replacements would be heroes that have some history with Ben or the FF. I wouldn't just grab anyone.

[Da Boat]

Bloodstone/Ka-Zar Fusion
A meteorite crash a prehistoric Man fighting against a Sabretooth. The red glowing stone of the meteorite fuse with the man and the sabretooth and it creates a psychic link between the two. And both man and animal become immortals and proceed the defend the World against outwordly menaces. This character would have Bloodstone's look only barefoot.

Shang Chi aka Dragon's Claw
I would make him the Son of the Mandarin and Shang Chi is hired by Nick Fury and given the Shield's "Satan's Claw" glove which fuses with him. It's a red metalic glove that burns everything it touches. And from then on Shang Chi would be a more formidable foe and renamed Dragon's Claw.

Ninja-like Shroud
This is more of a cosmetic change but since he was created in a temple somewhere and showed martial arts, I would have the Shroud have more of a ninja outfit. He would be the ultimate ninja, able to use actual darkness.

Hulk: Origin
A new origin for Hulk, General Ross was actually trying to create a sort of super-soldier formula when the Banner accident happened. The idea was to use a form of clonage to create humanoid beings that can withstand a world after a nuclear holocaust. And using the concept of splitting atoms into splitting a human into two via clonage where humans would be able to transfer their minds into new "nuclear" bodies.

Ultimate version of the FF
And I'm not talking about the book the Ultimate Fantastic Four but I imagine a world where Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch had started with the FF and revamped them instead of the Avengers and it would be edgy and political and fucked up. The goverment use four people as test subjects to create a classic atomic family on another planet. They are given abilities to match their utility. Ben is a being made of a rock that could be found composing planets of the solar system and he doesn't need to breath or eat. Sue use a super-invisible force field in case the station ever has a problem with wall breaches. Reed can find anything anywhere due to his elastic body. And Johnny was basically an accident where he had a body to adapt to various environments but something exploded and he caught fire and that becomes his main thing now.

[Da Boat]

ever since re-watching Dead Poets Society, I've really wanted to incorporate the Knights of the Atomic Round Table idea (from the Heroes Reborn universe) into one of these revamps. I haven't thought of a clean way to do it; like I can't think of a good project for all of them to work on. I'd definitely remove the Rebel O'Reilly character; just unnecessary to the primary universe. problem is in deciding who fills that spot; there are a lot of applicants. Alyssa Moy and/or Victor von Doom would be kind of obvious. and it's a real shame that T'challa is absent. but he attended Oxford, earning a PhD in physics. maybe there was a rival Atomic Knights overseas that includes T'challa, Monica Rappaccini, and someone like Brian Braddock. and where would someone like Otto Octavius fit in? was there an earlier collection of smart people? if I were revamping the spidey-verse, I'd make a lot of his rogues younger than they are currently (still a lot older than Peter but not ready to collect social security).



http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Knights...ic_Round_Table

maybe Reed is a part of this group; only in spirit. like he's seen as the top mind in the United States. and the younger "geniuses" are kind of gunning for his record. he leaves an unfinished equation up; daring any of the new students to complete it. Stark's the aggressive alpha male. Banner's the quiet sensitive one. Pym's somewhere inbetween (and hiding his mental illness). they'd all have a crush on Susan Storm. Leonardo Davinci's incognito as the librarian of the University or something. maybe he plays chess with Uatu every once in awhile; both invested in witnessing the introduction of a new superhero age. this collection would be a big deal because the military would have lost a lot of its dependable scientific minds. The mathematician and strategist who became the Mad Thinker had been institutionalized. Doctor Adam Brashear seemingly disappeared from the face of the Earth. The Hortons and Erskines of the world had passed away (or been murdered) a long time ago.

Victor von Doom would have become almost an urban legend. there'd be whispered tales of someone who went mad trying to compete with Richards and tried to blow up the campus.

This idea always spurred my imagination. Heroes Reborn had it flaws but I loved the idea of various known characters that pretty started together.

If Marvel ever does a Crisis-style revamp one day they could do something like this like at some point there was not monsters and aliens and villains and heroes but guys like Magneto and Doctor Doom and the Ancient One and Howard Stark, etc...decided to make a better World and onlocked the Word to a new place of wonders and mysteries and it gets out of hands.

Another idea for a Marvel company-wide revamp is to set it in the near future around 2025 and World War III has broke and there's a squadron of soldiers that discovers something big, maybe of a big arcane source or linked to aliens and it will change their lives forever. On this platoon of soldiers you could have all the main future Marvel heroes and villains like Steve Rogers, Matt Murdoch, Reed Richards, Ben Grimm, Frank Castle, Logan, Victor Von Doom, Don Blake, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, etc...Tony gets injured there and build himself a chest plate, Don Blake find the hammer of Norse God Thor, Frank easily the best soldier but he will be the most damaged psychologially from it, Matt gets blinded but an old mystic-like character name Stick will teach him new ways to live(and fight). And so forth.

[Michael Watkins]

This idea always spurred my imagination. Heroes Reborn had it flaws but I loved the idea of various known characters that pretty started together.

If Marvel ever does a Crisis-style revamp one day they could do something like this like at some point there was not monsters and aliens and villains and heroes but guys like Magneto and Doctor Doom and the Ancient One and Howard Stark, etc...decided to make a better World and onlocked the Word to a new place of wonders and mysteries and it gets out of hands.

there are definitely phases in marvel history. there used to be a lot more monster activity. Moleman got his start as one of the monster hunters. and then there was the mostly non-powered adventuring of characters like the original Angel. it was the at the tail end of that phase that some of the shadier big business types (and politicians) started funding costumed villainy; in an effort to regain control from the hero community. Norman Osborn was supposed to be one of their original contractors. but, to me, guys like Pym, Stark, and Richards knowing one another (at least in a professional sense) is logical. their science is so far above normal that they'd have to be front page news. they'd certainly be part of the same recruitment drives. I love it when they show flashbacks to seemingly unrelated characters meeting (like Monica Rappaccini and Bruce Banner having a fling).