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Burden of proof?
This isn't a court of law. It's a comic book forum people come to for entertaining discussions about their favorite funny books.
The obvious is right there: people don't like delays. Image is known for delays. Therefore, the enthusiasm has waned.
It doesn't matter if it was announced or not. A delay is a delay. And the vast majority of people do not like delays. Look at the European comic industry, which puts out nothing but delayed comics. Do you think from a profit standpoint the Euro comic book industry is anything to aspire to for the American and Japanese comic industries? Of course not. That's why Marvel and DC are number one. Not because of the quality of the stories but because people can trust their books are gonna come out on schedule. Same thing with the Japanese manga industry: whatever you say about the quality of mangas is your opinion. The fact is the Japanese readers expect to receive their comics on a set schedule and most of the time their expectations are fulfilled.
I don't know how anybody can argue that the vast majority of people don't like delays, whether announced or not.
Well if you state factually incorrect things people will call you out on those, you can't be surprised.
Some books that show how what you said was completely hyperbolic and false:
Fatale, Saga, East of West, Lazarus, Kill or be killed, I Hate Fairyland, Deadly Class, Black Science, Monstress, Low, Seven to Eternity, Outcast, Descender, Wicked + Divine, Snotgirl, Black Magic, Birthright, Divided States of Histerya, Redneck, Wayward, Paper Girls, God Country, Manifest Destiny, Elephant Men, Invincible.
Some books that are famous for their delays are Bitch Planet, Sex Criminals and Injection. But they are all still going after two years.
Now it would be nice for you to show at least as much books that fit your description of «more than 95% chance the book will be delayed or abruptly cancelled without warning; there's a 4% chance the book will be cancelled or delayed with warning; and 1% chance it'll make it past 2 years» or to simply admit you were being completely and needlessly hyperbolic and false.
Last edited by SignorMiracolo; 10-13-2017 at 08:03 AM.
JFP is a troll with an axe to grind against Image Comics. It's best to ignore him. This will go on for pages and pages and you will get no answers from him, just more hyperbole. We've done this before with him and it goes absolutely nowhere. Just ignore him.
Case in point: He's saying a planned skip month is a delay. It's not. The book isn't late. But he will not bend on this.
Seriously, just ignore him. It's not worth anyone's time.
I dont think he's a troll. I think he's genuinely an idiot.
He only shows up to talk **** about Image Comics, so, to me that's a troll. He might be both, though.
I don't know, in the European market a new Asterix volume is coming out next month and preorders are for over 5 million copies. It's been about 2 years since the last volume, which had preorders of over 5 million and ended up selling over 8 million copies in its first year available. I somehow think those are numbers the American industry could find something to aspire to there. But then the audience for Eurobooks aren't spoiled Wednesday Warriors who sacrifice quality to get a regular hit of 20 pages of story by anyone who is available to churn them out that month and who don't understand the difference between ongoing and monthly. Not all books are monthly, comics have mostly been of frequency other than monthly until the direct market took over and newsstands disappeared and the customer base has dwindled ever since without any source of new readers coming into it so American publishers aspire to sales of over 50K to be successful not the millions that sell in other markets who don't cling to the 20th century model of publishing in the 21st century. But people can continue to believe what they want to believe and live in their own reality tunnels when it comes to comics if they want to, fo as long as those dwindling monthly sales are viable at least.
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Here is my only counter when talking about Image and having late comics and that is what is causing the luster. Image has been known since the company's inception about having late books.
I simply want to make sure I understand the argument. Are we saying the lateness of the many years is what is tiring out fans and making them be less interested, or are we thinking late comics for Image is a new thing?
Personally, I think lateness of a comic might be a factor in losing interest, but I do not think it is the main reason.
I think restorative nostalgia is the number one issue with comic book fans.
A fine distinction between two types of Nostalgia:
Reflective Nostalgia allows us to savor our memories but accepts that they are in the past
Restorative Nostalgia pushes back against the here and now, keeping us stuck trying to relive our glory days.
Last edited by numberthirty; 10-14-2017 at 01:38 AM.
Let's go ahead, and go over this in detail.
The main issue seems to be that you only seem to be capable in seeing this in "From A Profit Standpoint..." terms. One of the main strengths of Image as an imprint is that a creator can choose to let profit(in the short term) take a back seat to other concerns. That is a plus. Not a minus.
You have to understand that in it's more than 20 years of existence, Image has more books cancelled than ongoing. Of the books you listed that I highlighted in bold, how many have been running for more than 5 years? Why does a company that has been around since 1992, with hundreds of titles published, have a difficult time showing any books that have been around for at least 5 years without any delays whatsoever?
The thing that makes the Euro market so poor is that the books that actually make it to the millions are titles that have been around since our grandparents were kids. Books like Tintin and Asterix (comics that have been around since our grandparents were young) are the only Euro comics that sell. If a Euro artist wants to put out something new, he's worse off than his American or Japanese counterpart. The European comic book market isn't impressive when you consider the only comics that have impact are kids comics for when our granddads were young. At least that 50k the American artist can expect to see is attainable where the new Euro artist can't even expect 5k.
Lateness over the years is tiring out fans and making them less interested.
I don't read that comic so I can't answer that.
What does IP stand for?
Have you talked to your local comic book retailer lately? Is there a comic book store owner on the planet who would say comic creators letting profit take a back seat is a plus or a minus?
It's not only the fans who are losing enthusiasm; it's also comic store owners. I have around 10 comic book stores within a 30 minute drive of my home. Over the years, they've been increasing their Big 2 products and significantly decreasing their Image and other indies. Their profits have increased and they are much more full. So I don't see them returning to the time when they were stocked full of comics from creators who let profits take a back seat for other concerns.
Honestly, if comic book stores stocked little or no Image titles, would they lose significant profit?
Image is a business. We can only look at things that happen with them from a business viewpoint because none of the creators would put out a comic book for free.
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