Can We Admit That The Inhumans Have Failed Now?

[NoDakFan]

It absolutely can have an impact on Marvel. As X-fans stand up, vocally and with their dollars, to oppose this contrived swap - it hurts Marvel's bottom line. It damages the brand of what they are trying to push. And it seems to be working to some degree.

X-fans don't want the Inhumans taken away and definitely not because "simply" they don't like them. They want to take away this unnecessary plan to substitute the Inhumans in to the X-men's role in the Marvel Universe because of film rights. Go be the Inhumans and be awesome at it. Just don't marginalize the X-men and try some half-baked plan to replace them with these guys. That won't work well for any party.

What would you have X-fans do....roll over and take it?

Threads like this did that? You can vote with your dollars. That's fine. But threads like this are barely-veiled attacks on inhumans and more importantly - on the inhuman fans. Show me a shred of evidence that Marvel execs or even employees come to this board, see threads like this and then think "wow we have to rethink our entire business plan."

Also -your second paragraph. You admit basically the entire problem - X-men fans don't just want the x-men back. They want inhuman fans to suffer. They want inhuman fans to lose the comics they enjoy.

Threads like this one are completely useless. No one says anything new. No one makes a new argument. It makes one fandom defensive and allows the other fandom to gloat. If X-men fans are that insecure in the stability and the ability of their favorite characters to succeed - that they have to make multiple threads attacking other fans for liking something different - then that says a lot about them.

[NoDakFan]

See Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite tanking hard. Nobody remembers the X-Men indeed.

Tell me how creating this thread leads to that?

[Holt]

Tell me how creating this thread leads to that?

I'm not talking about threads at all, just the voting with your wallet part that was mentioned.

[dan12456]

Awh x-fans trying to justify their never ending hate campaigns. One of my favourite things.

[Namor'sWrath]

Honestly if Inhuman fans' biggest problem is that people don't like the characters they like, then Inhuman fans are doing fine. Dry the tears.

[NoDakFan]

Honestly if Inhuman fans' biggest problem is that people don't like the characters they like, then Inhuman fans are doing fine. Dry the tears.

Inhumans fans biggest problem is actively rooting for them to fail. If you can't see the difference, you're actively trying to be ignorant.

[Namor'sWrath]

Inhumans fans biggest problem is actively rooting for them to fail. If you can't see the difference, you're actively trying to be ignorant.

Who cares if people are rooting for them to fail? It's a non-problem.

[Theleviathan]

Roll over and take what? The 7 comics that came after IvX? A tv show based on mutants currently on Fox? 3 films based on X-men state to premiere next year? Oh boo freaking hoo. The X-men are still around and are not being replaced.

In your zeal to post this rant...did you not notice that two of your examples are exactly the Fox-driven efforts that lead to this?

Thats pretty damn funny. And an example of why inhuman fan reactions only fuel the vitriol. Its like you arent even trying to get it.

[Holt]

I can understand being upset that something you like is so hated. Never a good feeling. But what exactly is the worst case scenario here? Marvel continues to churn out Inhuman books in spite of the low sales and they've been putting them in all their cartoons and video games. In fact I'm guessing only sheer laziness is what kept them out of Marvel vs. Capcom now that the X-Men were removed.

So when Marvel has shown it has such a fierce commitment to the characters, I'm not seeing what the problem exactly is.

[Namor'sWrath]

I can understand being upset that something you like is so hated. Never a good feeling. But what exactly is the worst case scenario here? Marvel continues to churn out Inhuman books in spite of the low sales and they've been putting them in all their cartoons and video games. In fact I'm guessing only sheer laziness is what kept them out of Marvel vs. Capcom now that the X-Men were removed.

So when Marvel has shown it has such a fierce commitment to the characters, I'm not seeing what the problem exactly is.

Exactly! Let me know when the Inhumans start getting removed from everything, then I'll be happy to lend a sympathetic ear. They're most likely going to get their tv show renewed even though few watch it and even fewer like it!

[skyvolt2000]

If we're looking to pin blame on anyone for a toxic environment, why is it anyone other than Marvel? They threw both fan bases into a steel cage and lit it on fire. Why would that turn into anything other than a fight? X-men fans should remember Inhuman fans didn't choose this, but Inhuman fans could stand to have some perspective on why X-fans are so righteously (and rightly) pissed off.

Who CHOOSE to buy those books and support that story line?

Once again WHO choose to buy those books with that story line?

X-MEN FANS.

X-MEN FANS.

To kill a story line you don't buy the books.

If you didn't like the story-don't buy the books.

Why would Inhuman fans have some perspective on why X-brats are still crying? If it was the other way they would not buy the books in question.

Some fans actually know how to walk away.

Some fans know who to target their rage.

Cassandra Cain & Stephanie Brown fans went after MANAGEMENT not Babs Gordon's fans. Because at the END of the day there was nothing they could do to stop what was going to be done with Babs. Bash, trash & boycott DC Super Hero Girls, Lego Batman movie or cuss out little girls who buy Babs's stuff?

What is the End Game? Keep trolling? Keep bashing treads alive? Yell at some more Inhuman fans in stores & cons? act like a certain group and interrupt Inhuman panels at cons? Set Inhuman books on fire for youtube? Steal Inhumans Season 1 dvds from stores? Steal the comics and trades? harass Inhuman creators?

Because sooner or later someone will ask if you want to be the alpha of Marvel-shouldn't you be attacking some guy name Peter Parker and his kids? GOTG, Punisher, Capt America, Luke Cage & Defenders, Black Panther, Runaways, Surfer, Hulk cult, Thor, Squirrel Girl & Iron Man.

You know the real franchises that make X-Men irrelevant.

Maybe it's time to be GRATEFUL that you still have stuff. Milestone fans had to wait 20 years. Fantastic Four fans are Still waiting. It could have been WORST.

[skyvolt2000]

I can understand being upset that something you like is so hated. Never a good feeling. But what exactly is the worst case scenario here? Marvel continues to churn out Inhuman books in spite of the low sales and they've been putting them in all their cartoons and video games. In fact I'm guessing only sheer laziness is what kept them out of Marvel vs. Capcom now that the X-Men were removed.

So when Marvel has shown it has such a fierce commitment to the characters, I'm not seeing what the problem exactly is.

Easy the animation and designs would have taken too long. It's easier to use the designs you already have versus doing new one.


As for low sales-if Cyborg and his girlfriend Carol Can't Sell Danvers can keep books despite lack of interest and sales-what is the issue? At least Moon Girl trades sell.

[Holt]

Easy the animation and designs would have taken too long. It's easier to use the designs you already have versus doing new one.

That's why I just said sheer laziness. Ironically if that's the case it would've served them better and helped their low sales to just keep the X-Men in, but hindsight is always 20/20.

Who CHOOSE to buy those books and support that story line?

Not many if the sales are any indication.

Because sooner or later someone will ask if you want to be the alpha of Marvel-shouldn't you be attacking some guy name Peter Parker and his kids? GOTG, Punisher, Capt America, Luke Cage & Defenders, Black Panther, Runaways, Surfer, Hulk cult, Thor, Squirrel Girl & Iron Man.

You know the real franchises that make X-Men irrelevant.

Except they aren't. It's a false equivalency. There's a rivalry between the X-Men and Inhumans because Marvel tried to position the latter as a replacement for the former, and as someone already said, decided to do a massive, running storyline that pitted the two teams against one another in-universe as well as in reality.

None of those other characters you mentioned have any connection to what has been going on with the X-Men.

[Nunoni]

Who CHOOSE to buy those books and support that story line?

Once again WHO choose to buy those books with that story line?

X-MEN FANS.

X-MEN FANS.

To kill a story line you don't buy the books.

If you didn't like the story-don't buy the books.

Why would Inhuman fans have some perspective on why X-brats are still crying? If it was the other way they would not buy the books in question.

Some fans actually know how to walk away.

Some fans know who to target their rage.

Cassandra Cain & Stephanie Brown fans went after MANAGEMENT not Babs Gordon's fans. Because at the END of the day there was nothing they could do to stop what was going to be done with Babs. Bash, trash & boycott DC Super Hero Girls, Lego Batman movie or cuss out little girls who buy Babs's stuff?

What is the End Game? Keep trolling? Keep bashing treads alive? Yell at some more Inhuman fans in stores & cons? act like a certain group and interrupt Inhuman panels at cons? Set Inhuman books on fire for youtube? Steal Inhumans Season 1 dvds from stores? Steal the comics and trades? harass Inhuman creators?

Because sooner or later someone will ask if you want to be the alpha of Marvel-shouldn't you be attacking some guy name Peter Parker and his kids? GOTG, Punisher, Capt America, Luke Cage & Defenders, Black Panther, Runaways, Surfer, Hulk cult, Thor, Squirrel Girl & Iron Man.

You know the real franchises that make X-Men irrelevant.

Maybe it's time to be GRATEFUL that you still have stuff. Milestone fans had to wait 20 years. Fantastic Four fans are Still waiting. It could have been WORST.

ANAD X-men books didn't sell very well, IvX only sold 50k, for an event that's pretty low. Now the X-men books are selling well, X-men Gold and OML have been one of the best selling books, Marvel's sales are terrible right now so they cannot afford flooding the shelves with Inhumans book that don't sell. and here is the thing, this is what everybody find so unfair is that despite the Inhumans books not being good sellers they are still promoting the hell out of it and putting way too many of them for what the market is demanding, and they selling even lower now. Meanwhile FF books while not having the greatest sales, was still sellling above the cancellation level yet they were cancelled.

At the end of the day this is not about what fans demand but what corporates telling what you should want and like.

And please people have the right to criticize Marvel, their creative desicion as well fictional characters like the Inhuman, maybe you should stop taking it as a personal attack, nobody is forcing you to enter to this thread. This is just being completly sensitive to criitcism of your favorite characters.

[Namor'sWrath]

Who CHOOSE to buy those books and support that story line?

Once again WHO choose to buy those books with that story line?

X-MEN FANS.

X-MEN FANS.

To kill a story line you don't buy the books.

If you didn't like the story-don't buy the books.

Why would Inhuman fans have some perspective on why X-brats are still crying? If it was the other way they would not buy the books in question.

Some fans actually know how to walk away.

Some fans know who to target their rage.

Cassandra Cain & Stephanie Brown fans went after MANAGEMENT not Babs Gordon's fans. Because at the END of the day there was nothing they could do to stop what was going to be done with Babs. Bash, trash & boycott DC Super Hero Girls, Lego Batman movie or cuss out little girls who buy Babs's stuff?

What is the End Game? Keep trolling? Keep bashing treads alive? Yell at some more Inhuman fans in stores & cons? act like a certain group and interrupt Inhuman panels at cons? Set Inhuman books on fire for youtube? Steal Inhumans Season 1 dvds from stores? Steal the comics and trades? harass Inhuman creators?

Because sooner or later someone will ask if you want to be the alpha of Marvel-shouldn't you be attacking some guy name Peter Parker and his kids? GOTG, Punisher, Capt America, Luke Cage & Defenders, Black Panther, Runaways, Surfer, Hulk cult, Thor, Squirrel Girl & Iron Man.

You know the real franchises that make X-Men irrelevant.

Maybe it's time to be GRATEFUL that you still have stuff. Milestone fans had to wait 20 years. Fantastic Four fans are Still waiting. It could have been WORST.

Catch - 22 for X-fans. Buy the book, and people still give you crappy stories, don't buy the book, and the X-men go the way of the Fantastic Four.

I'm envious that the Inhumans don't seem to have this issue.