Scemma Was Earned or Not?

[Starrius]

Emma's more real than other characters. Be honest if you had super powers you wouldn't play hero and do everything by the book. You'd use your powers to get what you want and help those you like do the same.

I wouldn't.
If I had superpowers, I wouldn't use them for personal gain.
I'd use them to help others.

there is a lot of variation in the values of people on this planet


in Spider-Man comics,
With Great Power
comes Great Responsibility

[Starrius]

I guess I didn't got what you meant. Thought you were saying that my logic was undermining the characters because the story wasn't as simple as that?



Jean was the one screwed over on the animated series. She was completely nerfed, incompetent and only there as an object for Scott and Logan to fight for. She either wasn't even on the fights or was completely useless on them. I mean...

Logan lacked boundaries

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

I wouldn't.
If I had superpowers, I wouldn't use them for personal gain.
I'd use them to help others.

there is a lot of variation in the values of people on this planet


in Spider-Man comics,
With Great Power
comes Great Responsibility

And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Ulfhammer]

During AvsX Emma was confident that Cyclops would stick with her; but I think that, beneath it all, Cyclops always had a hint of distrust towards Emma. Tony Stark may not have gotten between them, but Namor did, and it was heavily ironic that Emma’s psychic affair with Namor was the final nudge that pushed Cyclops into a full-on Phoenix-style attack on Emma.

Or it was PF madness, which everyone tends to get eventually. By the time AvX came out I think it was pretty well established that Scott had trusted Emma completely.

[Ulfhammer]

It's almost as if she spent an entire decade in an Xmen book where she trained students and was an actual Hero for more time than she was a villain. It's as if the phoenix and the death of her students gave her a wakeup call to reform herself.

Scott is as far away from Emma as you can get.

Effective use of sarcasm. Doesn't she have his body stashed away in her broom closet or something?

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

Effective use of sarcasm. Doesn't she have his body stashed away in her broom closet or something?

I like to think she gave his body to Ms. Sinister and it's in a tank somewhere so he can come back.

[Carabas]

I wouldn't.
If I had superpowers, I wouldn't use them for personal gain.
I'd use them to help others.

I would do both.

Even Spider-Man uses his powers to save money on transportation.

[Cyke is Slim]

Emma was confident that Cyclops would stick with her; but I think that, beneath it all, Cyclops always had a hint of distrust towards Emma. Tony Stark may not have gotten between them, but Namor did, and it was heavily ironic that Emma’s psychic affair with Namor was the final nudge that pushed Cyclops into a full-on Phoenix-style attack on Emma.

[Cyke is Slim]

But not after what she did with namor scott didn't trust her.

[Victorian_Soul]

I can understand when people have a different opinion on a couple, but i'll never grasp how people think that a relationship started on the basis of rape is a good one. Also I don't understand how you can say Emma helped Scott develop when Jean and Scott had years and decades together developing as a couple and people. The only thing Emma did for Scott was turn him back into the standoffish introvert he was during the orginal comics.

[Knives]

The problem with Jean is that no matter how much they loved each other they never had the best time and several factors happened to undermine the relationship.

Already Scott and Emma are different she was exactly what he needed in a difficult time of his life and think she made Scott grow as a person and leader of the X-mens. But that does not change the fact that she was a big factor in separating Jean and Scott without mentioning that their nature and past made other X-men distrust Scott.

It's kind of the situation of Peter Parker who loved Gwen Stacy but everyone knows their true love is MJ.

Jean is the perfect relationship for fans but Emma is the ideal person for Scott.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

I can understand when people have a different opinion on a couple, i'll never grasp how people think that a relationship started on the basis of rape. Also I don't understand how you can say Emma helped Scott develop when Jean and Scott had years and decades together developing as a couple and people. The only thing Emma did for Scott was turn him back into the standoffish introvert he was during the orginal comics.

I'd blame the writers instead of Emma...let's be honest here.

Btw I had to block Cyke Slim...seemed odd that someone with 3 posts just jumped in here and started trying to piss off Emma fans.

[Ulfhammer]

Emma was confident that Cyclops would stick with her; but I think that, beneath it all, Cyclops always had a hint of distrust towards Emma. Tony Stark may not have gotten between them, but Namor did, and it was heavily ironic that Emma’s psychic affair with Namor was the final nudge that pushed Cyclops into a full-on Phoenix-style attack on Emma.

Actually thinking more on this I think you have it exactly backward. Emma seemed to often be dealing with doubt about her relationship with Scott, if he really loved her and worst of all, what would happen if Jean ever came back. I'm not actually sure she ever spoke the last one aloud but I believe that kept her up at night. Writers since have played with this idea, specifically Bendis talking about how Jean was the love of Scott's life and Scott was the love of her's. IMO Scott had a lot more confidence in them as a couple than she did.

Also the affair had little or nothing to do with Scott attacking Emma at the end of AvX. He felt he needed her power and no longer had the humanity left to keep himself under control. That's actually a great argument for Jean's strength of character, that she chose to kill herself at the end of the DPS wheras Scott chose to kill Xavier. I thought AvX was a clinic in poor writing and I use the term "chose" pretty loosely here but the point still stands.

[Cyke is Slim]

Woah...I like Emma but not Scemma. I think, though, that the real breaking-point between Cyclops and Emma was in a comparative side-issue. In one of ‘AvX’s Infinite Comics, Cyclops became aware that he was beginning to fall to the temptation of Dark Phoenix. With similar concerns, Emma tried to go to him for help. But what did Cyclops do?
He headed to the Moon, and used the Phoenix Force to animate dust into the form his subconscious wished to interact with – Jean Grey. He went, not to Emma, but to Jean, his ex-wife.I don't have anything against Emma.

[Cyke is Slim]

Also the affair had little or nothing to do with Scott attacking Emma at the end of AvX. He felt he needed her power and no longer had the humanity left to keep himself under control. I think you are right here.