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    Does this episode explain how Burnham and Philippa was able to sneak out with Book's ship which was parked in the HANGAR BAY on a STARSHIP last episode? No, no it does not

    Hugging and crying count: Burnham and her mom cried and hugged it out. Tilly and the crew cried and hugged it out. Remember, it's not an episode of Discovery until everyone breaks down in tears and hugs it out.

    Number of times this episode keeps telling us Burnham has changed, due to being on her own for ONE year and getting a new hairstyle: Lost count.

    Number of bad decisions Saru made: Promoting Tilly...of all people.

    Callbacks to stuff you want to forget: 'Memba Romulus go boom?! 'Memba all female space ninjas?! 'Memba that Burnham is Spock's sister?

    Number of times that the episode said that Spock was awesome because Burnham was his sister?: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

    What about Owo?: She no doubt silently seethed over Tilly's promotion and little by little she thinking about staging a mutiny and unlike Burnham when she does it she will succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Unification 3

    Does this episode explain how Burnham and Philippa was able to sneak out with Book's ship which was parked in the HANGAR BAY on a STARSHIP last episode? No, no it does not

    Hugging and crying count: Burnham and her mom cried and hugged it out. Tilly and the crew cried and hugged it out. Remember, it's not an episode of Discovery until everyone breaks down in tears and hugs it out.

    Number of times this episode keeps telling us Burnham has changed, due to being on her own for ONE year and getting a new hairstyle: Lost count.

    Number of bad decisions Saru made: Promoting Tilly...of all people.

    Callbacks to stuff you want to forget: 'Memba Romulus go boom?! 'Memba all female space ninjas?! 'Memba that Burnham is Spock's sister?

    Number of times that the episode said that Spock was awesome because Burnham was his sister?: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

    What about Owo?: She no doubt silently seethed over Tilly's promotion and little by little she thinking about staging a mutiny and unlike Burnham when she does it she will succeed.
    Man, you really dig hate watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Man, you really dig hate watching.
    Burnham never thought to ask what became of Vulcan nor did she think of looking into the records to see what became of the brother that she supposedly loved so much once they found Starfleet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Burnham never thought to ask what became of Vulcan nor did she think of looking into the records to see what became of the brother that she supposedly loved so much once they found Starfleet.
    To be fair, even in the Star Trek Universe, you wouldn't assume that the status quo of your planet was that different...but yeah I would have been curious what happened to my family...

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    Ha I called it. Tilly the new no.2 hope she doesn't go all Capt. Killy at some point this season. Nah I'm lyin-I really hope she does lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliffHanger2 View Post
    Ha I called it. Tilly the new no.2 hope she doesn't go all Capt. Killy at some point this season. Nah I'm lyin-I really hope she does lol.
    This is going to end two ways.

    1. She does the job until Burnham wants it back again and she steps down again.

    2. She dies and Burnham takes it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    This is going to end two ways.

    1. She does the job until Burnham wants it back again and she steps down again.

    2. She dies and Burnham takes it back.
    I can see 1 happening but not 2. But in the end Burnham doesn't really need the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Burnham never thought to ask what became of Vulcan nor did she think of looking into the records to see what became of the brother that she supposedly loved so much once they found Starfleet.
    Memories were already too painful.

    TBH, I'm almost wanting Burnham to say FU to Starfleet at this point. And frankly, it's really bizarre for the Discovery crew to sincerely hook up with 30th century Starfleet. Just doing this screws up their mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Burnham never thought to ask what became of Vulcan nor did she think of looking into the records to see what became of the brother that she supposedly loved so much once they found Starfleet.
    It isn't like she didn't have things to do once she got to Starfleet. She almost immediately had to go save Book, then the consequences of that and the Burn/black box. Getting demoted. I mean she knows her brother and family are long dead, just because she didn't have free time to go look at his Memoirs doesnt mean its a plot hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
    Does this episode explain how Burnham and Philippa was able to sneak out with Book's ship which was parked in the HANGAR BAY on a STARSHIP last episode? No, no it does not
    Not really sure it needs explanation. It's a smuggler ship that has a great cloak.
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    Why didn't Burnham look into the fate of Vulcan sooner? Because the writers felt that story was better told now rather than in the first episode. It seems pretty simple to me and it doesn't make it a legitimately, objective flaw in the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony W View Post
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    Does this episode explain how Burnham and Philippa was able to sneak out with Book's ship which was parked in the HANGAR BAY on a STARSHIP last episode? No, no it does not
    Does the second in command of a starship have to sneak anywhere or explain orders to anyone? We're taking this ship. Okay.
    Sounds perfect.

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    I didn't comment last week, but I'm still amazed at the physical resemblance between Burnham and her mom. Great job, casting department!

    On to this week:

    - Stamets and Adira having a gender pronoun discussion was nice and the progression from she to they was pretty timely with the big news about Elliot Page.

    - less fun -- Stamets voluntelling Adira to work on the algorithms. Weird.

    - Culber gets the CMO to help with Georgiou. Which kinda seems like it should be the other way around (we're back to my weekly "Make Culber the CMO Already" rant)

    - Yay at seeing Book and especially Detmer getting fleshed out!

    - This is like the third episode in a row where we're told of Discovery's upgrades and yet we still haven't seen those upgrades in action beyond what the ship normally does. There's no showcase. I get that Discovery's hands were tied this time around, but a battle would be the most straight forward way of showing those upgrades. Maybe the show is saving that for the finale?

    - speaking of which, though, Detmer vs. the Veridian has some of the best space battle choreography of the show. Frakes has come a long way since the brilliant but painfully brief space battle of First Contact

    - Additionally, rather than rapid cuts and BSG-style zooms, we had some prolonged cuts of Book's ship in action, something La Sirena desperately needed in Picard.

    - ah yes, Planet Canada again

    - Tilly's solution to have Detmer attack with Book's ship sounds clever, but the Admiral isn't going to buy it with Michael's own record of insubordination and Saru continually insisting the crew can do its thing if it were allowed to do so -- the crew were kept intact by the slimmest of margins

    - with that said, I'm also glad that Tilly's plan, while necessary in the short run, further increased hostilities with the Emerald Chain. Sometimes these gambits shouldn't work in Trek, and on a serialized show like this, it's good to show conquences of clever plans going wrong.

    - Lastly, if I were Culber, I'd be super cautious of Georgiou, considering that it's matching up a killer with someone who's already been killed.

    Next week's preview: Holy crap, a TNG S1-S2 uniform!

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