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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadxman View Post
    no it because a woman using methods from a culture that wasn't her own. Thought it was logical to mutiny, assault a superior officer, and be the aggressor in an intergalactic incident.

    BTW What Vulcan thought it was a good idea to "shoot first"? Enterprise Vulcans weren't that stupid.

    I do find it funny how at the 23 minute mark, they basically describe the main character as the answer to the question: "what if a total idiot had Vulcan arrogance and certainty of superiority?"

    I also thought this line at 36 was hilarious: "where the cliffhanger? I thought that was a perfectly fine ending for the story that we saw. Incompetent officer fucks up royally, gets ship destroyed, gets captain killed, starts war with the Klingons, gets sent to jail, The End"
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    we have to start questioning Sarek's Parenting abilities.

    First Sybok refused the ways, Mike's cultural appropriation lead to War.

    Yet he is ashamed of Spock?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadxman View Post
    we have to start questioning Sarek's Parenting abilities.
    He doesn't have any. He took in a traumatised human child, told her just to repress that trauma with logic, as if that would work on a non-Vulcan, and then when she faces her trauma face to face she completely falls apart.
    And somehow she is the incompetent one?

    And it's not cultural appropriation if you are actually raised in that culture.
    Also, what she suggested might have worked. What the captain wanted to do, and did, would always have lead to war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    He doesn't have any. He took in a traumatised human child, told her just to repress that trauma with logic, as if that would work on a non-Vulcan, and then when she faces her trauma face to face she completely falls apart.
    And somehow she is the incompetent one?

    And it's not cultural appropriation if you are actually raised in that culture.
    Also, what she suggested might have worked. What the captain wanted to do, and did, would always have lead to war.

    Worf was Raise by humans after a very traumatizing event yet he is more Klingon then almost anyone raised in the Empire.

    And what of the Cardassian War orphans left on Bajor. They were being raised to hate their own kind to a point one of them Attack Garek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadxman View Post
    Worf was Raise by humans after a very traumatizing event yet he is more Klingon then almost anyone raised in the Empire.
    Worf was initially also considered more human than Klingon by many actual Klingons. They did not think well of his appropriation of Klingon culture.

    And what of the Cardassian War orphans left on Bajor.
    I don't recall them at all.

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    That's an oversimplification of what happened with Worf. It would be more accurate to say that he had a romanticized view of Klingon culture, because his last memories of it was as a child. As a result, he behaved in a more orthodox manner than real Klingons. He was the equivalent of a Christian raised in isolation from other Christians who genuinely tried to live his life according to the ideals of Jesus, and then got introduced late in life to actual Christians who cheat on their taxes and mostly forget about Christianity past the occasional guilty trip to the confessional. He was in some ways a walking stereotype, making him seem odd to real Klingons, who paid lip-service to Klingons ideals while behaving mostly pragmatically and even nihilistically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelC View Post
    That's an oversimplification of what happened with Worf. It would be more accurate to say that he had a romanticized view of Klingon culture, because his last memories of it was as a child. As a result, he behaved in a more orthodox manner than real Klingons. He was the equivalent of a Christian raised in isolation from other Christians who genuinely tried to live his life according to the ideals of Jesus, and then got introduced late in life to actual Christians who cheat on their taxes and mostly forget about Christianity past the occasional guilty trip to the confessional. He was in some ways a walking stereotype, making him seem odd to real Klingons, who paid lip-service to Klingons ideals while behaving mostly pragmatically and even nihilistically.
    yes, that's Worf

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInvisibleMan View Post
    yes, that's Worf
    And yet He shaped the Empire to a better future.

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    Red Letter Media reviews STD


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadxman View Post
    we have to start questioning Sarek's Parenting abilities.

    First Sybok refused the ways, Mike's cultural appropriation lead to War.

    Yet he is ashamed of Spock?!
    The things I can never understand about Sarek is that he's always turning his nose up at things that are human, but yet went out of his way to marry TWO human females.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    Red Letter Media reviews STD

    The only problem with this video is that they don't understand why the Captain and First Officer were on the planet. It was the Federation that screwed up and caused the drought, they were just there to fix it. Other than that this is one of the better reviews of the pilot I watched.
    #InGunnITrust, #ZackSnyderistheBlueprint, #ReleasetheAyerCut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadxman View Post
    And what of the Cardassian War orphans left on Bajor. They were being raised to hate their own kind to a point one of them Attack Garek.
    I think it was more of an issue that the kid internalized hatred for himself than he was specifically taught to hate those bloody spoon heads.
    #InGunnITrust, #ZackSnyderistheBlueprint, #ReleasetheAyerCut

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySpider View Post
    The things I can never understand about Sarek is that he's always turning his nose up at things that are human, but yet went out of his way to marry TWO human females.
    I think the implication is that Sarek externalizes his inner conflict in lusting after women who are alien and exotic. It's like when he looks at a human woman, he thinks, ahch, those human women, they're so inferior, full of illogical emotions and those weird round ears and even their blood is a weird color, they're just so weird, so strange, so exotic, so, so, oh god they're so friggin' hot! And he takes out his inner conflict on poor Spock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormel View Post
    Has this person... ever seen the show?

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    Uhura running Navigations?!!

    What episode is this from, please?

    In answer to your question; obviously NOT.

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    I'll never understand sending the captain and first officer on the same away missions. Shows a complete lack of understanding how the chain of command is supposed to work.

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