Star Trek: Discovery

[Pinsir]

TNG has sexual violence... It was pretty much Tasha Yar's entire backstory.

Deanna Troi was mind 'violated' multiple times too. Also DS9 touched on the topic of sexual slavery too.

[Carabas]

Discovery is darker than average Trek. I'd say it's somewhat the same gloom & doom level as DS9.

But somehow people are freaking out and convincing themselves this is Trek 40K.

[Matt]

Personally, I'm still sniggering over the most secret and secure part of the ship being locked behind a single breath based lock.
Two step verification has been forgotten in the future? Maybe a simple face scan as the person breathes into the sensor would help?

[Mia]

As someone who basically gave up on DS9 and Voyager in their 2nd seasons, because I just found them boring. I am actually liking this show a lot, it's a bit grittier and edgier than I expect from Trek. I like Burnham, like Gina Torres on Suits, it's sort of nice to see a black woman play strong without coming across as a shrew.

[G. Boney]

And that final scene? spoilers:

'Mirror' universe episode to come,

end of spoilers indeed.

spoilers:

Since they used Stamets to foreshadow that, is it connected to him injecting himself with the whozitmajig?

end of spoilers

[shades of eternity]

yeah

I remember a certain classic episode where a famous klingon once said "don't start a fight in a burning house."

how have they been changed.

[Jokerz79]

As someone who basically gave up on DS9 and Voyager in their 2nd seasons, because I just found them boring. I am actually liking this show a lot, it's a bit grittier and edgier than I expect from Trek. I like Burnham, like Gina Torres on Suits, it's sort of nice to see a black woman play strong without coming across as a shrew.

She's not a Shrew? I find her insufferable and for the life of me can't understand how she was ever a Starfleet Officer outside of maybe Section 31.

[SXVA]

As someone who basically gave up on DS9 and Voyager in their 2nd seasons, because I just found them boring. I am actually liking this show a lot, it's a bit grittier and edgier than I expect from Trek. I like Burnham, like Gina Torres on Suits, it's sort of nice to see a black woman play strong without coming across as a shrew.

What!!?

I'd highly recommend someday if you ever have the free time to give them another chance. Those are my two favorite Trek series.

There's been numerous times where i didn't connect with a series at first for whatever various reasons and i then went back again at another time and enjoyed them immensely. Maybe they just aren't for you but might be worth giving it another try.

[Carabas]

spoilers:

Since they used Stamets to foreshadow that, is it connected to him injecting himself with the whozitmajig?

end of spoilers

spoilers:

Yeah, this isn't a mirror universe thing (which had nothing to do with mirrors anyway, and mirror universe Stamets would not look exactly like regular Starfleet Stamets, and not be in his mirror). This seems more a 'time and cause and effect have gone all wibbly-wobbly because we messed with R'Lyeh-space' thing, which is why by the time we get to TOS nobody has even heard about a Sporedrive.

end of spoilers

[Carabas]

yeah

I remember a certain classic episode where a famous klingon once said "don't start a fight in a burning house."

how have they been changed.

I don't get it.

[Charmed]

I don't find Burnham to be insufferable. Maybe it's because I watch crap like Scandal where every character is insufferable that I have a higher tolerance for characters deemed insufferable on other tv shows. For all of her faults, Michael does seem to have some sense of self-awareness. Either she does, or I'm being fooled by Sonequa Martin-Green who is doing a great job with her.

[nx01a]

Discovery is darker than average Trek. I'd say it's somewhat the same gloom & doom level as DS9.
But somehow people are freaking out and convincing themselves this is Trek 40K.

DS9 was never this dark, not even in the midst of a brutal war, not even in its most morally-questioning and/or violent episodes like 'In The Pale Moonlight' and 'The Siege of AR-558'.
And the Klingons? I don't want to try and find a peace with these Klingons. I want these monsters erased from existence. Where's that Kevin Uxbridge guy when you need him?

[nx01a]

TNG has sexual violence... It was pretty much Tasha Yar's entire backstory.

That was one reference to 'rape gangs' during 'Farpoint' but it certainly showed that human life outside the Federation could be horrible.

Deanna Troi was mind 'violated' multiple times too. Also DS9 touched on the topic of sexual slavery too.

It only happened twice, I think: in the not subtly-titled 'Violations' (where Riker and Crusher got mind-raped, too) then the stupid rehash in 'Nemesis'. But then there's the time she got impregnated by an energy being that wanted to experience mortal existence.
DS9 just makes me think of the name-dropped Vulcan Love Slave novels and holosuite programs which make me giggle and desperately try not to think too deeply about the non-consent connotations.

[SXVA]

DS9 was never this dark, not even in the midst of a brutal war, not even in its most morally-questioning and/or violent episodes like 'In The Pale Moonlight' and 'The Siege of AR-558'.
And the Klingons? I don't want to try and find a peace with these Klingons. I want these monsters erased from existence. Where's that Kevin Uxbridge guy when you need him?

I think the main thing to this "darkness" is Discovery lacking the lighthearted humor rather than there being darker subject matter which all of the other series shared. There were darker themes and moments and subject matter but it was offset by humor in other areas and tones. In DS9 for example you had Quark and Elim Garak providing many humorous moments, situations and adventures. That's why some claim Orville as more of an successor than Discovery. It's still quite early in Discovery's lifespan though, it could very well introduce some more lighthearted humorous aspects and tones.

I agree about the Klingons, worst part of Discovery in my opinion. Wish they simply made them something new. To change something that's iconic in the series legacy/mythos so drastically doesn't seem like the best approach to me *shrug*.

[Carabas]

DS9 was never this dark, not even in the midst of a brutal war, not even in its most morally-questioning and/or violent episodes like 'In The Pale Moonlight' and 'The Siege of AR-558'.
And the Klingons? I don't want to try and find a peace with these Klingons. I want these monsters erased from existence. Where's that Kevin Uxbridge guy when you need him?

The only differences in the Klingons I'm seeing are purely visual (agreed that the make-up is horrible, but then TNG Klingon make-up kept mutating into something better throughout the entire series, and started out in season 1 as a dude with an obviously fake forehead stuck clumsily to to his face, with some horribly fake looking hair).

Klingons of any era were always a bunch of brutal murderhobos who pretended they were decent people because of honour, nevermind that most of them conniving backstabbers who wouldn't know honour if they sat on it.

Worf was not a typical Klingon.

And you know what, the moment one of the Starfleet people does something shady, and it actually works out instead of backfiring horribly, then you can say the show is dark.
If this were a dark show, Michael Burnham would be Captain of the Discovery because her mutinous actions saved thousands of lives and she defeatted the Klingons.

The message of the show so far is "Hard Men Making Hard Choices does not work." It's the anti-24.