A bat! That's it! It's an omen.. I'll shall become a bat!
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THE CBR COMMUNITY STANDARDS & RULES ~ So... what's your excuse now?
A bat! That's it! It's an omen.. I'll shall become a bat!
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THE CBR COMMUNITY STANDARDS & RULES ~ So... what's your excuse now?
In my defense Shade the Changling Girl & Woman is the first time I read that character.
I have tried to find the old Vertigo series and so far bought issue 1.
It's a BLACK GUY doing it. It's one thing for Bugs Bunny or Cap America or Mickey Mouse or Peter Griffin doing it. A Black Guy-that is a magnet for those trolls to come out fighting.Apart from the fact it was the Russians who got to Berlin first why would that image piss any one off? Im not saying it wouldnt, im just struggling to see what the issue would be.
And don't be shocked if some of the fit throwers are the same guys who don't like pics of women drinking milkshakes, A woman asking for more diverse reporters, black storm trooper or a black comic book creator making a book about black folks only gaining superpowers.
A book they NEVER read but threw fits over the titles, covers, previews and creative teams.Clowns in comment sections, the same people had an issue with Superman smashes the Klan.
See Gotham High. The biggest trigger was not the fact Bruce Wayne was Asian but Daddy Wayne got his money from his WIFE'S family.
"Better than Robin" comment that started the Duke Thomas hate. That has now died down.
Don't get me started on CHampions #25. The book that was suppose to denounce the NRA and never did.
There's always been people who get angry when comics stands up to racism and fascism. Jack Kirby and Joe Simon received death threats from American Nazi supporters when they portrayed Captain America punching Hitler.
As Mark Evanier describes in his biography Kirby: King of Comics, “…Jack took a call. A voice on the other end said, ‘There are three of us down here in the lobby. We want to see the guy who does this disgusting comic book and show him what real Nazis would do to his Captain America’. To the horror of others in the office, Kirby rolled up his sleeves and headed downstairs. The callers, however, were gone by the time he arrived.”
another incident:
Kirby told an interviewer, ‘I once got a letter from a Nazi who told me to pick out any lamppost I wanted on Times Square, because when Hitler arrived, they’d hang me from it.
Stan Lee and Kirby got a ton of hate mail when they introduced Black Panther. So there will always be racist assholes getting angry about these types of things. But take a lesson from The King. Roll up your sleeves and take the fight to them (though Kirby literally fought Nazis in WWII as an Army scout). It's probably a big reason why Marvel was the first to have more diversity in their comic book universe. Kirby (and Lee) didn't care who they offended. They knew they were on the right side of history.
I rate the Vertigo run very highly but i seem to be in a minority of one. Peter Milligan is def not for everyone but i found the first 20 something issues to be absolute brain melt. Theres some really harrowing stories - its not a 'fun' book at all but its very trippy and unusual. Chris Bachalo on fire in that run too. But thats just me - most people seem nonplussed by it.
4 years later... are things the same or have they improved!? John Stewart seems to be getting built up and focused on again, Black Adam, Blue Beetle and Static are getting DCEU films. Jessica is still going strong and Yara Flor seems to have taken off! On the other hand Cyborg’s push seems to have ended, Katana doesn’t seem to be appearing as much and DC seems to be giving Batman and Family a million books, while several characters remain in limbo
Katana was recently in The Other History of the DC Universe and was used in Future State. DC also put out an anthology book focusing on their Asian heroes and they created a new Asian hero in the form of the Monkey King. Characters remaining in limbo is just the way of ongoing superhero universes and this applies to Marvel as well.
For the whole publishing line? It's a wash. For every Blue and Gold, we have no Aquaman or Green Arrow.
But in terms of diversity, they're certainly making a more concentrated push, though I do admit it seems their focus is primarily on Black characters at this moment. I can't think of many titles starring an Asian or Latino lead (save for Wonder Girl). I'm sure if they get called out for not being diverse enough, they'll fall back on the mainstream comic industry ol' chestnut of revealing a female character is bisexual to hope it appeases everyone.
I would like to see a Black, African or African American hero with a unique powerset like Cyborg headline his own title, team and legacy characters. Currently DC's black superheroes are all under the shadow of the originals. they are all legacy heroes. Why not create a new Black, African or African American hero with a unique powerset that can start their own legacy with their own legacy characters?
I'm enjoying Green Lantern a lot, and while everything you say is true, at least the perception is that's John's book with the other lanterns as co-stars.
I don't know if too many books where the primary star is an Asian or Latino person sans Wonder Girl with Yara Flor. It's very possible I'm forgetting a book or two, but I don't know of any others off the top of my head and that's the issue. In terms of LGBTQ+, I think only Diana, Harley and Catwoman currently have books, and frankly only Harley has been historically allowed to represent her orientation on-panel for more than an issue or two in several decades (not counting Elseworlds like Bombshells where all the women are pretty much bi if not lesbians).
I'm loving your GL run and am glad you're committed to making a change, but overall DC is coming up a little short for representation.
Make no mistake, it does appear to be getting better (the specials they did for Asian and LGBTQ+ are great) but if they're not followed up on, it doesn't really amount to much for readers looking for more diversity.
We're all but confirmed to be getting another Outsiders lead by Black Lightning and Katana. Alan is a primary character in Infinite Frontier. We're getting Wonder Girl. It's getting better to be sure, but nevertheless the issue persists.
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Short answer chances in comics for completely new character without any connection to one of the established franchises to succeed are unfortuantly very low.
I might be wrong but I think the last time DC had a completely original character with a somewhat long running solo book was Hitman, and that character was created in 1993.
I'm not sure how it looks for Marvel, but I doubt that it is much better.