Kneeling During the National Anthem

[Old Man Ollie 1962]

Bob Costas has the right idea IMO.

“I would have the P.A. guy say, ‘Please stand for our national anthem and in recognition of the ideals it represents,'” explained Costas. “That would then encompass conservatives, liberals and everyone in between. I think that would make it more palatable.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...054411901.html

[mojotastic]

Bob Costas has the right idea IMO.

“I would have the P.A. guy say, ‘Please stand for our national anthem and in recognition of the ideals it represents,'” explained Costas. “That would then encompass conservatives, liberals and everyone in between. I think that would make it more palatable.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...054411901.html

I think it should be something like "and in recognition of the ideal it represents to you", it sounds more personal in my opinion just adding the "you".

[Joker]

Or maybe white guys should stop telling black men how they should feel about issues that only affect black men.

Or maybe white guys should stop threatening the employment of black men for having an opinion and expressing it through the means provided to them.
(Which, it's worth noting, is exactly what all these white guys are doing at the moment.)

I dunno... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BaneBreaker]

Except those ideals are not being upheld by the people in a position of power and authority. They aren't being upheld by people meant to protect us. People are told to "shut up", "know your place", etc.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Just go back to not having the players on the field for it. There I solved the problem.

[Kirby101]

And another white guy misses the point and doesn't want nasty social issues interfering with his sports.

Ask Michael Bennet about those ideals.

I also hate this argument that the National Anthem is only about honoring servicemen, it's not and never was. It's about our rights and the constitution.

And while I respect and honor the job our servicemen have done, we haven't had a war in 70 years that preserved my freedom. We have had misbegoteen crusades that took too many lives.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

And another white guy misses the point and doesn't want nasty social issues interfering with his sports.

Ask Michael Bennet about those ideals.

They used to not be out there. Until 2009, players were still in the locker room for that (except the Super Bowl). The only reason they are out there out there is because the league wanted to appear more patriotic because they get paid millions by the DoD and National Guard to promote patriotism as part of their brand. So now it's a conflict of interests for the league because to some people the players aren't appearing patriotic like they were intended to.

So now the whole reason they are out there is undermined, so why not just let them stay in the lockeroom, like they did for years without anyone giving a damn.

[The Question]

I'm for the First Amendment.

[Kirby101]

They used to not be out there. Until 2009, players were still in the locker room for that (except the Super Bowl). The only reason they are out there out there is because the league wanted to appear more patriotic because they get paid millions by the DoD and National Guard to promote patriotism as part of their brand. So now it's a conflict of interests for the league because to some people the players aren't appearing patriotic like they were intended to.

So now the whole reason they are out there is undermined, so why not just let them stay in the lockeroom, like they did for years without anyone giving a damn.

Good point. But I think the League could not do that now. It would reek of cowardness.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Or maybe white guys should stop telling black men how they should feel about issues that only affect black men.

Or maybe white guys should stop threatening the employment of black men for having an opinion and expressing it through the means provided to them.
(Which, it's worth noting, is exactly what all these white guys are doing at the moment.)

I dunno... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bingo! You hit the nail squarely on the head with everything you wrote.

[Kirby101]

Bingo! You hit the nail squarely on the head with everything you wrote.

I know, I keep waiting to hear the word "uppity".

[LordMikel]

I'm for the First Amendment.

where is the Government getting involved?

[Tuck]

So, nobody actually watched the clip.

[Joker]

^^No. Nobody watched two white guys talk about how they'd solve an issue that doesn't have anything to do with them, specifically because they are white men.

Bingo! You hit the nail squarely on the head with everything you wrote.

Thanks, man!

where is the Government getting involved?

Well, the President said they should be fired. Then implied that because he's friends with owners, that it'll happen. Does it get more government involved than that?

[Tuck]

^^No. Nobody watched two white guys talk about how they'd solve an issue that doesn't have anything to do with them, specifically because they are white men.

This entire thread after the first post is arguing about something that didn't actually happen in the clip.

Mostly, it's about CTE. (But nobody actually seems to care too much about that.)

The rest is about Trump's remarks and discussing why the kneeling isn't more widespread among the players.