'Avengers: No Surrender' Crossover Starting in January

[Michael Watkins]

The other thought I had: Could Voyager be a mutant, also? Remember both the Avengers and the X-Men appeared about the same time. An evil mutant attack the fledgling Avengers group and has a change of heart.A mutant as a founder. She would beat Wanda and Pietro. :-p

like a pre-Avenger X Avenger X?

[mikeb]

I was thinking...If this Voyager is coming straight from 1963, she going to experience a HELL of a culture shock...

[Digifiend]

Comic book time sliding timescale remember. She'd only be from around 2003.

[Drops Of Venus]

I was thinking...If this Voyager is coming straight from 1963, she going to experience a HELL of a culture shock...

I get the feeling she might be more of a Kang kind of character; someone who went BACK in time and started messing with the timeline. I like the theory I've read here in the CBR forum about her possibly being a Black Swan who strayed from her original path and started doing her own thing across time and space. It'd be a nice nod to Hickman's Avengers run. And after all, she looks like she could have a connection to the Black Order on this cover, who were just joined by the main Black Swan herself.

[Vic Vega]

Voyager is sounding to me a lot like DC's Triumph, missing history and all.

Other than that I don't really have an opinion on it.

[PaxHouse]

And now it begins.......via these Preview Pages for {Next Week's} AVENGERS (: NO SURRENDER #1/) #675, which can be seen here.

[Oberon]

Amongst various possibilities I have also thought she was a/the Black Swan.

Some of us also thought Sue's daughter, Valeria.

I addition to those, I've wondered for several years now, about Kang's abduction of Jan and Havok's child in the Uncanny Avengers Planet X storyline - which I really liked. Of course I could also see in time-travel irony, that Kang knowingly or otherwise abducted the child who became his beloved Ravonna (who also was impersonating Nebula, Thano's daughter - - reconned on that?)

Kang and other-world/verse counterparts or displaced from other timelines gave us Rachael the Phoenix. Certainly Kang could have something to do with this.

[Captain M]

So close....

[Digifiend]

And now it begins.......via these Preview Pages for {Next Week's} AVENGERS (: NO SURRENDER #1/) #675, which can be seen here.

Meh. Pages we've already seen.

[baltiroo]

I'm really excited about this and looking forward to it. A lot of mysteries and plots to pick up. I hope that each member has a decent moment to shine.

[mikeb]

I get the feeling she might be more of a Kang kind of character; someone who went BACK in time and started messing with the timeline. I like the theory I've read here in the CBR forum about her possibly being a Black Swan who strayed from her original path and started doing her own thing across time and space. It'd be a nice nod to Hickman's Avengers run. And after all, she looks like she could have a connection to the Black Order on this cover, who were just joined by the main Black Swan herself.

So...is Voyager the villain, the hero or both? Does she just return to fix the mess she made?

[PaxHouse]

So...is Voyager the villain, the hero or both? Does she just return to fix the mess she made?

Very good questions......and you'll learn the answers when the First Issue gets release......

[mikeb]

Very good questions......and you'll learn the answers when the First Issue gets release......

Actually...I don't think we will find out the whole truth until April...

[GodThor]

what if Voyager is the daughter of Odin and the Phoenix???

[baltiroo]

what if Voyager is the daughter of Odin and the Phoenix???

That would be very interesting.