'Avengers: No Surrender' Crossover Starting in January

[Curlytop]

This feels too close to Waid's Kooky Quartet rewrite for me.

[Digifiend]

Agreed. Those six issues (the .1s and #8) should have been about something else, this has been in the works for over a year so Waid knew about Voyager when he created Avenger X.

[DragonsChi]

I'm getting the Sentry 2.0 vibe from this and I don't like it. I really hope this Vector lady is projecting some kind of love me aura in the room for all them to be falling over her like that.

Wish writers would just leave continuity alone :/

[Michael Watkins]

I like Avenger X better (but not a lot)

[Michael Watkins]

Yeah, she stinks as that she is a villain in disguise.

Voyager
Voyager is another name for traveler
Traveler is another name for gypsy
Voyager = real Doctor Doom!!

[Mary Jay]

Preview for Avengers 676 is up.

Surprising no one, Janet is no longer the person that named the team

I still think this is only temporary, for the duration of the storyline. No way they would take something so iconic away from Jan...

I think that was Pym's line.

She needs to disappear.

I'm starting to think she took out Steve and Janet on purpose.

The way they are acting all hokey and "Gee whiz!" about her is a pretty big tell that this character who came from nowhere, with zero build up, at a time of weird happenings and crisis, is probably not on the up and up.

I do notice not one original member is there to call this out. Even Jarvis is out the frame right now.

Very interesting theory! I think you might be on to something!

EDIT: Although, I just checked the preview for the second issue, and Pietro and Wanda both remember her from the Kooky Quartet time (kooky quintet now...?) But still, no founding Avenger is there, Jarvis is in critical condition, and Rick Jones is dead... that can't be just a coincidence.

[Curlytop]

Voyager
Voyager is another name for traveler
Traveler is another name for Romani
Voyager = real Doctor Doom!!

Also, most of us aren't "travelers." :P

[MaximoffTrash]

Feels like a reverse Sentry.
Sentry is "he was actually there but no one remembers."
Voyager is "she was actually not there but everyone remembers her."
Remind me of that Rick and Morty episode with memory implanting space parasite.

[Alan2099]

Voyager
Voyager is another name for traveler

Voyager is actually JUDAS TRAVELER!

[Digifiend]

Something to note. Hercules remembered Voyager, so she was still there when he joined in Avengers #45. And she was gone by the time Falcon joined in #184.

[Hypestyle]

who is voyager? is she human? why has she disappeared for all this time? Why was she "erased" from Avengers history up until now? what has brought her out of hiding? Is she a character who is meant to stay? Is she going to be set up as a villain?

[PaxHouse]

who is voyager? is she human? why has she disappeared for all this time? Why was she "erased" from Avengers history up until now? what has brought her out of hiding? Is she a character who is meant to stay? Is she going to be set up as a villain?

Sooooooo many questions........and only 15 more weeks left for them {about Vovager} to be answered........!!

[Omegarogue]

This look great.

[Black Manta]

This is just offensive. Maybe Marvel should just quit making comics.

[Tycon]

Feels like a reverse Sentry.
Sentry is "he was actually there but no one remembers."
Voyager is "she was actually not there but everyone remembers her."
Remind me of that Rick and Morty episode with memory implanting space parasite.

It's also.kinda different from Blue Marvel and Avenger X. Blue Marvel is a case where he's there PLUS everyone remembers him. Avenger X wasn't really a "retcon" per say, but a product of an 'untold story'. With Valerie Vector, there's some surrounding mystery for why she's a "founding member" of the team and everyone feels so friendly around her.

Hope she stays.