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    Lex Luthor was never president and neither was Pete Ross.

    Since the 2000s it's been Bush, Obama and currently Trump.

    9/11 happened.
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    Retcon- Judas Contract never happened, saving fans from writers constantly retelling the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king81992 View Post
    Retcon- Judas Contract never happened, saving fans from writers constantly retelling the story.
    The original was great; we just don't need the remakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buried Alien View Post
    The original was great; we just don't need the remakes.

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    True.
    Judas Contract was a masterwork showing how to weave a story into four years of a comic and bring everything together into both a conclusion and a new beginning.
    You can't just retell it in one short story.
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    The New 52 Justice League International was a "SyFy original series" produced by Booster Gold's production company. Booster and Godiva were played by themselves, the rest of the team were actors. Mid-production the actresses playing Ice, Fire and Vixen went on strike over how they were being sidelined in favor of Godiva, and were written out of the show during negotiations. Rocket Red was killed off due to his actor scoring the lead role in the General Glory movie. The show was cancelled by SyFy, but they authorized a two hour movie to wrap up some loose ends (i.e. the Annual).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icefan View Post
    The New 52 Justice League International was a "SyFy original series" produced by Booster Gold's production company. Booster and Godiva were played by themselves, the rest of the team were actors. Mid-production the actresses playing Ice, Fire and Vixen went on strike over how they were being sidelined in favor of Godiva, and were written out of the show during negotiations. Rocket Red was killed off due to his actor scoring the lead role in the General Glory movie. The show was cancelled by SyFy, but they authorized a two hour movie to wrap up some loose ends (i.e. the Annual).
    LOL. Love it!

    Godiva must really have been a real 'Diva'. She not only stole the role from Alexandra Gianopoulos, she forced the other women out of the show, as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Stone View Post
    LOL. Love it!
    Seconded!

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    - All "humanoid aliens" are either descended from ancient atlantean astronauts (and sometimes by old atlantean astronauts who got caught in time-warps or something) or malthusians/oans, the earlier are the more human ones, the later are either the weirder aliens or the ones with energy powers. For example, Kryptonians are Atlantean astronauts who got caught in a time-warp and ended up billions of years in the past. Their super-strong underwater adapted bodies eventually changed in kryptonian gravity, and they eventually genetically engineered themselves to absorb kryptonian fauna's ability to use solar energy.

    - Martians, despite being very humanoid, are an exception. Their origin is the same, they're too alien to fit here.

    - There was eventually a "humanoidsphere" of ancient humanoid alien species in the Milkyway, a lot of independent/allied humanoid species interacting with each other.

    - Like in the pre-modern era, a lot of alliances were sealed with marriages. Because a lot of those species hit reproduction barriers at one point (especially the Atlanteans/Malthusian-descended pairings), they genetically engineered themselves to be mutually compatible in reproduction. Thus allowing for marriage and reproduction between those many species.

    - Eventually, this "humansphere" went away, when Atlantis sank beneath the waves and Earth pretty much went back to barbarism.

    - This explains a lot of things, why most aliens in the DCU are human, how they are pretty much always compatible both biochemically and genetically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaughter View Post
    - All "humanoid aliens" are either descended from ancient atlantean astronauts (and sometimes by old atlantean astronauts who got caught in time-warps or something) or malthusians/oans, the earlier are the more human ones, the later are either the weirder aliens or the ones with energy powers. For example, Kryptonians are Atlantean astronauts who got caught in a time-warp and ended up billions of years in the past. Their super-strong underwater adapted bodies eventually changed in kryptonian gravity, and they eventually genetically engineered themselves to absorb kryptonian fauna's ability to use solar energy.

    - Martians, despite being very humanoid, are an exception. Their origin is the same, they're too alien to fit here.

    - There was eventually a "humanoidsphere" of ancient humanoid alien species in the Milkyway, a lot of independent/allied humanoid species interacting with each other.

    - Like in the pre-modern era, a lot of alliances were sealed with marriages. Because a lot of those species hit reproduction barriers at one point (especially the Atlanteans/Malthusian-descended pairings), they genetically engineered themselves to be mutually compatible in reproduction. Thus allowing for marriage and reproduction between those many species.

    - Eventually, this "humansphere" went away, when Atlantis sank beneath the waves and Earth pretty much went back to barbarism.

    - This explains a lot of things, why most aliens in the DCU are human, how they are pretty much always compatible both biochemically and genetically.
    Very cool idea.

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    Retcon: Supergirl in the New 52 is the daughter of Clark Kent and Cat Grant after Lois got a divorce because Clark sold her stuff on eBay, who was sent back in time to stop Zod from kneeling but instead was sent too late and ended up getting frozen in time and landed on Earth and so on.

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    Some Legion of Super-Heroes related retcons;

    Laurel Kent is found in a chamber deep under Metropolis, having been captured and replaced by a Manhunter robot assassin (who kept her body in stasis for when it needed fresh samples to fool DNA scans). She was always a real person, and the Manhunter spitefully lied about her never having existed. She is a descendent of Kal-El, and she's far from being the only one. While Kal, Kara, Conner, etc. were no Genghis Khan, they have hundreds, if not thousands, of descendants 1000 years from now, most having inherited exactly jack and squat in the way of Kryptonian powers.

    Superman, as a teen, did have adventures with the Legion of Super-Heroes. He doesn't remember most of that stuff, because he learned lots of stuff about the future that even he agreed he couldn't be permitted to remember. Whenever he visits the future, those memories come rushing back, and when he returns to the past, they get compacted and stored away again. Thanks to the magic of time travel, the Legion in the future can *still* visit 'Superboy' whenever they want, or have him pop forward 1000 years and adventure with them. It's freaking time travel. They just go back to when he was a teen! Same with Supergirl. Whether or not she died in some Crisis is utterly meaningless to people who live 1000 years after she would have eventually died anyway (just as they can visit Superboy or Superman, and he'll likely be many centuries dead by their future, too), and who use time travel to visit the version from before she died.

    Most of the humanoid 'aliens' of the 30th/31st century are human colonists. Titanians, *obviously,* but also Braalians, Carggites, Orandans, Winathians, Bismollans, Naltorians, Imskians, Tharrans, etc. Exceptions include Coluans, Talokkians and Durlans, who were never human. Sometime between 2017 and 3017, those planets were settled by humans, originally from Earth, and either already had, or developed after they arrived, whatever superhuman abilities they might have. A rare exception would be the Starhavenites, originally from Earth, but having relocated from the American Midwest to Starhaven closer to 1000 AD (long before Earth was generally known to be capable of intergalactic exoduses). But that's a story for another day. As a result, no story set in the 'past' (modern day) will have Braalians or Titanians or Winathians, because those worlds haven't been settled yet, and space is dominated by Rann, Thanagar, the Citadel, etc.

    Most members of these various races are less powerful, or have less-developed capabilities, than the Legionnaires (or their rival super-villains). Not every Titanian has a planetary range (most can't 'telepath' farther than a human can shout!). Not every Durlan can grow and shrink. Not every Imskian can reach atomic sizes. Those that can are special.

    Khund is pronounced 'Kooned' (not like 'the C-word') because Giffen's juvenile frat-boy sense of humor in seeing what sort of crap he can sneak by his editors annoys me.

    Tyroc always had sonic powers, not 'magic screams that do random things like teleport or control the weather or set things on fire.' He was the sole super-hero of Marzal, a dimensionally out of step 'hidden' land off the coast of Africa that has more recently become 'stable' and phased back into existence and rejoined Earth (and it's government). The population are not ex-slaves or super-racist, they're just like Bgtzlns, people who lived out of phase, and, in this case, have returned.

    Option 1 - Bgtzl is the same extradimensional out-of-phase world as was known in the 20th century as the Metazone. Tinya has no relationship to 'Shade, the Changing Man,' but his technology was an early attempt at crossing the barrier between those two worlds. Most Bgtzlns can't cross the barrier willingly, without traveling through a special machine that functions like a 'space port' and connects Bgtzl to Earth. Tinya (and others like Phantom Lad) are rare-ish individuals who are changed when they first cross the barrier through the machine, and become able to cross over and 'phase' whenever they want. Bgtzl is only an imperfect replica of Earth, and derives energy from our material world sun, which radiates energy on a spectrum that reaches into 'phase space,' instead of having it's own sun, moon, stars and possibly even 'United Bgtzln Planets' and 'Legion of Bgtlzan Super-Heroes' over there. It's just another planet, not another *universe.*

    Option 2 - Bgtzl has a big secret. It's not an out of phase parallel Earth. It's the afterlife. 1000 years in the future, people from the afterlife have developed the means to cross over into the living world (and vice versa, although there's not a lot of 'tourism' to the afterlife...). 'Bgtzln's' are ghosts, and Phantom Girl is an actual phantom of a living girl who died, perhaps centuries ago. Bgtzlns tend to assume phony identities, and those who still have living family and friends are discouraged from 'manifesting' and troubling the living and risking the big secret. (The last time the living knew that the dead were crossing over, there were exorcisms and witch trials and it was a whole thing, and the dead, being dead, and those immortal, have long memories and don't embrace change quickly, if ever.) People in the living world might freak if they knew that the last president of the UP, Winema Wazzo, was a *ghost.* (And they might freak even more if they realized how greatly the dead outnumber the living...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icefan View Post
    The New 52 Justice League International was a "SyFy original series" produced by Booster Gold's production company. Booster and Godiva were played by themselves, the rest of the team were actors. Mid-production the actresses playing Ice, Fire and Vixen went on strike over how they were being sidelined in favor of Godiva, and were written out of the show during negotiations. Rocket Red was killed off due to his actor scoring the lead role in the General Glory movie. The show was cancelled by SyFy, but they authorized a two hour movie to wrap up some loose ends (i.e. the Annual).
    Perfect! I didn't like the new 52 version except for the annual which ended in a cliffhanger I still don't know what happened after!

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